More on Knots - Trilene / San Diego

[Fluker]

Many knots work, and work well. How much are you tying / re tying plays a big affect. For example I really like the Palomar myself when I'm on the water. Quick and dirty. But I do agree that the margin for error in the knot is probably higher than most. You can get crossovers that cause stress very easy for this knot.

I use the Trilene Knot when I'm rigging up, and occasionally when I'm out on the water. I only use the Palomar these days on Braid and when I'm in a big arse hurry. And NOT for Fluro! Just based on my experience, it's NOT the knot for Fluro FOR ME. I say for me because I also think the Palomar is as good as the person tying it. If you are good and it and keep it from crossing over, it's probably great. I probably can't, and that's why it doens't work well on Fluro for me.

Now to the actual reasons I wanted to post this. )

1) The San Diego knot seems similar to the Trilene, but only 1 pass of the line through the hook eye. Wouldn't you want a knot that passes twice through the hook eye? Wouldn't that mean twice the strength? (Not of the nto necesarily, but you have 2 strands of line around the hook)

2) I see some of you also use the Trilene. I struggle in getting the not to slide down nice and tight. Haven't noticed that it affects things either way (when it does, or when it doesn't), but jsut wondering if anyone has a "trick" to make it slide down nice and tight? i.e. on the Palomar, if you slide your fingers in the loop and pull the knot semi-tight, then remove your fingers and slide it down to the hook eye it pulls nice and tight.

[Ray Esboldt]

Fluker,

I always slime up the Trilene knot with saliva (and snoose) so it cinches up nice. You may have force it abit by scrunching the wraps back down and pulling the tag end a little more.

I don't tie a trilene knot on anything but mono. Like, fluke, I'll go with a carefully tied palomar there.

[RK]

Fluker,

I always slime up the Trilene knot with saliva (and snoose)

Bahaha..... Same here Ray Don't need to stinking fish attractant - I've got chew on my lure!

I use 4 knots:

- Trilene knot for mono Easy to tie and have used it forever. Like Ray said, just slobber on it a little bit. Actually you should do this with any knot when tying either mono or fluoro. Heat is the killer for either of these two, but especially so with Fluoro apparently.

- I tie San Diego Jam for fluoro. Fluoro seems to work best with a jam knot like a Canoeman's knot or SD Jam. The Jam is easy to tie.

- I tie Uni Knots with superline. Started using the Uni with Dacron muskie fishing a couple decades ago, and it's never failed me. Can't slip and easy to tie. For connecting superline to a leader, I double the superline with a Bimini twist, and use back to back uni-knots.

- I tie palomar knots for drop shotting, and hate it. With fluoro especially it seems, as Deitz said in the other thread, that if you let the line cross itself, your knot strength goes WAY down. Even at that, I still retie after a few fish just to be safe.

Cheers,

Rob Kimm.