Interesting stats

[JohnMickish]

Now that they are tied I thought this would be interesting to discuss here.

FYI: I found it on yahoo sports and they have a real nice article about how Big E and Gordon both got to this point.

Milestone Jeff Gordon Dale Earnhardt

First Race 11/15/1992 5/25/1975

Rookie Season 1993 1979

Full time seasons 14-plus 22

Championships 4 7

First Victory 1994 Coke 600 (42nd start) 1979 Southeastern 500 (16th start)

10th Victory 96th start 177th start

20th Victory 125th start 244th start

30th Victory 158th start 266th start

40th Victory 186th start 336th start

50th Victory 232nd start 369th start

60th Victory 318th start 454th start

70th Victory 402nd start 515th start

76th Victory 481st start 671st start

Total Races 481 676

Wins per track

Track Dale Earnhardt Jeff Gordon

Atlanta Motor Speedway 9 4

Bristol Motor Speedway 9 5

California Speedway 0 (4 starts) 3

Chicagoland Speedway N/A 1

Darlington Raceway 9 6

Daytona International Speedway 3 6

Dover Downs International 3 4

Homestead-Miami Speedway 0 (2 starts) 0

Indianapolis Motor Speedway 1 4

Infineon Raceway 1 4

Kansas Speedway N/A 2

Las Vegas Motor Speedway 0 (3 starts) 1

Lowes Motor Speedway 5 4

Martinsville Speedway 6 7

Michigan International Speedway 2 2

Nashville International Raceway 2 N/A

New Hampshire International Speedway 0 (12 starts) 3

North Carolina Speedway 3 4

North Wilkesboro Speedway 5 1

Ontario Speedway 0 (2 starts) N/A

Phoenix International Raceway 1 1

Pocono Raceway 2 3

Richmond International Raceway 5 2

Riverside International Raceway 0 (20 starts) N/A

Talladega Superspeedway 10 4

Texas Motor Speedway 0 (4 starts) 0

Texas World Speedway 0 (3 starts) N/A

Watkins Glen International 0 (15 starts) 4

[NAPAFISH]

After reviewing more further, Dale seems to have raced against far more better competition. With the likes of Waltrip, B. Allison, Yarborough, Petty, Martin, and Rusty. With the majority of these drivers in their prime. You could add T. Labonte and Gordon. It seems as Gordon was starting to win the level of competition was diluted.

[JohnMickish]

Your right, Gordon only races against slugs like Stewart, Jr., Martin, Kenseth, the Busch duo, T and B Labonte, Big E and so on.

The competition now is not nearly as close as it was 15 years ago. I don't know how you come up with a statement like that?

[NAPAFISH]

Base it on races won

Petty 200

Allison 84

Waltrip 84

Yarborough 83 Top 5 (excluding Pearson 105)

Stewart, Jr, Labontes, Kenseth so on are not slugs by any means, but as far as wins they will never be the same class as the Top 5. Yahoo was comparing wins. If you are going to compare championships then I would think only Stewart has a chance of getting to four.

If you are going to compare Championships Petty and Dale Sr would be vastly ahead of Gordon. With Gordon only being slightly better than Lee Petty, Cale and D DUB YA.

Whats more credible wins or championships?? I am not sure. But from pure win numbers, I doubt Gordon will make the Top 5, not saying he wont but I just doubt it.

[lawdog]

You seriously don't think he'll win Eight more races before he retires? Seriously??? Against what you also say is inferior competition?????

PPPPUUUUUUHHHHHLLLLLLLEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

You are setting new levels of absurdity, even for you, in your posts tonight... GOOD GRIEF!

[fishonnopeoff]

He will, or NASCAR will give him the wins like they just did........

[JohnMickish]

[quote give him the wins like they just did........

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Please explain. The race that was showing on my TV showed a heck of a good race between Tony and Gordon, and we all know Tony isn't going to roll over.

A guy dosen't have to dominate the whole race to have the winning car. The best car dosen't always win and Hamlin had the best car but made mistake and it cost him. The tape clearly showed Hamlin pulling away from Harvick, and if you believe the culprits words over electronic timing I've got some genuine Arizona waterfront property for sale, cheap!

[JohnMickish]

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Whats more credible wins or championships?? I am not sure. But from pure win numbers, I doubt Gordon will make the Top 5, not saying he wont but I just doubt it.

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Wins or Championships? How about percentages?

Gordon has a 15.80 win percentage.

Earnhardt has a 11.33 win percentage.

Petty has a 16.89 win percentage

Allison has a 11.69 win percentage

Waltrip has a 10.38 win percentage

Yarborough and Pearson have a 14.82 and 18.29 win %

Gordon has a championship winning percentage of 28.57.

Earnhardt has a championship winning percentage of 31.81.

Petty has a championship winning percentage of 20.00.

Allison has a championship winning percentage of 4.00

Waltrip has a championship winning percentage of 10.34

Yarborough and pearson's championships are at 9.68 and 11.11%

You can see that neither Gordon or Earnhardt has led both catagories.

All I can say is that each driver is/was the best of thier respective era and both should be remembered for the skills that they have. It dosen't really matter if you like either one or not, you have to admit that they have skills that that puts them in a very elite group of men.

[VMS]

This could be argued until Gordon retires. Regardless of the numbers, we can sit and play with them to show all kinds of different things. In the end, though, It is not just Gordon or Ernhardt...it's a team win and team championship.

Gordon and the dupont team is rewriting the recordbooks, and with the technology out there today as compared to years ago (even back in the early 90's when gordon first came onto the scene) the TEAM with the best pit strategy, car adjustments (when they could be adjusted), driver ability, etc is what really shows...it's just the driver that gets the credit.

In my humble opinion, they cannot be compared as drivers. I don't know the numbers for either, but many of Ernhardt's wins were with an entirely different type of car.

No matter what, both are/were great drivers and gordon will continue to be, but overall it is a TEAM effort..not just the driver.

Steve

[LMITOUT]

Wonderboy or the Intimidator?

Speed is doing a show on just that during All-Star week...I believe it said Wednesday night. Should be interesting!

[VMS]

Don't quite understand your question there for me... Can you elaborate on the wonderboy or intimidator a bit?

Thanks

[Sifty]

Well said Steve.

I'm sure when Dale Sr. The King or any other race car driver out there would say, a win is a win.

I don't think it matters if it was yesterday or sixty years ago.

Sifty

[LMITOUT]

It wasn't a question towards you, it's the title of a show that is going to air next month on exactly what this thread is about.

[NAPAFISH]

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Wonderboy or the Intimidator?

Speed is doing a show on just that during All-Star week...I believe it said Wednesday night. Should be interesting!

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Here is an excerpt from an article which sums up my dislike for Gordon

Even comparing the years in which they went head to head is unfair. By the time Gordon arrived on the scene at the ripe young age of 21, Earnhardt was 42. Now, if you compare the first 481 races of each, their stats are very similar. Gordon compiled 76 victories, 219 top fives and 294 top 10s through his first 481 races. Earnhardt had 63 wins, 218 top fives and 315 top 10s in his first 481 races. The difference here is that Earnhardt was 28 when he got his first big break, missing out on several of his prime years. Gordon, on the other hand, was barely out of his teens and benefited from superior equipment from the moment he stepped up to the Cup Series. He was blessed with the opportunity to develop his skills from the time he was a child. Earnhardt was a self-made grinder who had to scratch and claw his way to the top. And finally, while I said Earnhardt's seven titles don't tell the whole story, it certainly doesn't hurt his cause.

[TNFL]

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was barely out of his teens and benefited from superior equipment from the moment he stepped up to the Cup Series. He was blessed with the opportunity to develop his skills from the time he was a child.

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By your logic, you must also dislike Jr then. It doesn't add up Bud.

[JohnMickish]

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was barely out of his teens and benefited from superior equipment from the moment he stepped up to the Cup Series. .

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I don't know if I can agree with that logic either. Big E had the best technology for his day too.

[PierBridge]

I'm moving this thread to the Political forum.

[TNFL]

And "The King" Petty definately had the best equipment in his time.