Guests - If You want access to member only forums on HSO. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on HotSpotOutdoors.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

  • Announcements

    • Rick

      Members Only Fluid Forum View   08/08/2017

      Fluid forum view allows members only to get right to the meat of this community; the topics. You can toggle between your preferred forum view just below to the left on the main forum entrance. You will see three icons. Try them out and see what you prefer.   Fluid view allows you, if you are a signed up member, to see the newest topic posts in either all forums (select none or all) or in just your favorite forums (select the ones you want to see when you come to Fishing Minnesota). It keeps and in real time with respect to Topic posts and lets YOU SELECT YOUR FAVORITE FORUMS. It can make things fun and easy. This is especially true for less experienced visitors raised on social media. If you, as a members want more specific topics, you can even select a single forum to view. Let us take a look at fluid view in action. We will then break it down and explain how it works in more detail.   The video shows the topic list and the forum filter box. As you can see, it is easy to change the topic list by changing the selected forums. This view replaces the traditional list of categories and forums.   Of course, members only can change the view to better suit your way of browsing.   You will notice a “grid” option. We have moved the grid forum theme setting into the main forum settings. This makes it an option for members only to choose. This screenshot also shows the removal of the forum breadcrumb in fluid view mode. Fluid view remembers your last forum selection so you don’t lose your place when you go back to the listing. The benefit of this feature is easy to see. It removes a potential barrier of entry for members only. It puts the spotlight on topics themselves, and not the hierarchical forum structure. You as a member will enjoy viewing many forums at once and switching between them without leaving the page. We hope that fluid view, the new functionality is an asset that you enjoy .
Sign in to follow this  
EyesOnThePrize

Color preserver on wraps?

Recommended Posts

The first few rods I built I used color preserver on the wraps before I applied the epoxy. I was pretty happy with the results as the threads didn't really darken/change when the epoxy went on.

I was at Thorne Brothers last week and the builders there said they don't use color preserver at all. That after several years your guides can become loose because the preserver kept the epoxy from adhering to the rod.

So I didn't use it on my last two rods and the colors are a little disappointing - really flattened the colors. And stupid me - on the diamond wraps at the base, I used a lighter thread to lock the wrap and now you can see all the cut off ends under the lock wrap - looks dumb, but oh well (live and learn).

So my question is - do you use color preserver? And is there anything else I can do to keep the colors of the thread vibrant?

Thanks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's a personal choice. I don't use color preserver on my rods. Most of the blanks I'm building on are a dull charcoal (IMX & GLX) so I like to let the cranberry's, blues darken in color. This really brings out the colors on these blanks.

Blue thread # 246 still stays vibrant, along with the red's cranberry's.

At Thorne Bros, they have a rod blank with all the color threads on them, so you can see what they look like without color preserver.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One thing I did is wrap a small amount of all the colors I have on an old broken blank. Wrap in two diff spots then use color preserver on one section and none on the other. It gives you a better idea of how things will turn out when selecting wrap patterns...

Most of the time I use preserver...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another quick way to check to see about how much the thread will darken is to make a small wrap on a part of the blank you are goign to use and then get wet it with water. It will give you a very close comparison of how the thread will look without color preserver. Like Rodmaker, I don't really use CP on my own rods, but if I'm building for someone else that wants the color to stay bright, I will use CP. I do use CP for dong work with feathers though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a 20 + year old fly rod that I wrapped and used Color Preserver and have not had a guide loosen up yet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Go ahead and use the color preserver, it won't weaken the bond between the guides and the rod. If it did, rodbuilders wouldv'e quit buying it years ago and it wouldn't be around anymore. Another option is to use NCP thread (No color preserver required). Gudebrod is one of the manufacturers of this type of thread. Here's a quote from them...

"NCP Nylon is a specially constructed thread that requires no color preserver, yet has all the strength and wearing features of other popular Gudebrod threads. It is the perfect thread for major rod manufacturers as well as professional and custom rod designers.

The color pigment in NCP is preconditioned into a colorfast medium that resists the damaging effects of powerful epoxies and varnishes that break down the color pigment in regular nylon thread, thus saving the time consuming steps of applying several coats of color preserver. Rod finish may be applied directly over rod wrappings."

Good luck!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quote:
The color pigment in NCP is preconditioned into a colorfast medium that resists the damaging effects of powerful epoxies and varnishes that break down the color pigment in regular nylon thread, thus saving the time consuming steps of applying several coats of color preserver. Rod finish may be applied directly over rod wrappings."

The colors for NCP don't have near the brilliance of the regular rod building threads. There is also a trend towards using embroidery thread in size 40. I have switched to that almost exclusively, the thing to make sure of with embroidery thread to to get the polyester version instead of rayon.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this