CNY Tim, Can you spot me a 20 dude?

[buzzsaw]

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To put it in language you may understand, if you caught a 16" walleye and your friend caught an 18" walleye

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To put it into your terms, your not THAT simple are you Windy? Theres more to having wins (run support) that goes into the equation like ERA, WHIP, K's (domination factor). you realize that last years one year wonder (as we all told you last season) finished behind Yohan in the Cy Young balloting? Now if you want to get that old debate going again it won't even be close... but if you want to shove the "old man" I mean Contreras at us this time around go ahead... I'd still take Santana and Liriano over any of the top duo of pitchers in baseball. Whats your take and don't even start with that Contreras is all of the sudden the best pitcher ever bidnuz... we all know next year he will be this years Judy Garland.

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Buzz,

I left this post in the other thread before I read this one. You know I was just giving you a little of the ole "Eddie Haskell" about the 16/18, right? I don't think I would take the Santana/Liriano combo just yet this year but the next 2 or 3 most definitely. Jose will start to fade over the next few years but he is top gun this year, until somebody beats him. 16 consecutive wins so far and counting. Like I said in the post on the other thread, just keeping things lively on the ole baseball thread. Windy

[buzzsaw]

Cool mah boy!

[buzzsaw]

Can you believe that the Twins now have a better record than the almighty Cardinals???!!! And we play in the best division in baseball and the tougher league!! I've gotta think playing in the Cardinals division, let alone the national league would yield another 15-20 wins for the Twins per season.

[genegodawa]

C'mon now Buzz....more wins with your pitchers batting in the NL? I don't think so.

[Mudcutter]

I don't think AL pitchers batting in the NL parks this year mattered much. I think the AL was like 40-50 games over .500, and well over .500 playing in NL parks where the pitcher batted. And what teams in the NL are real scary any ways,,,, the only average teams are the mets and cards--- and both of those would not make the playoffs if they played on the AL side. Heck-- you put Toronto/NY/Boston in the N.L East- the TWins/DET/SOX in N.L Central and anybody in westand I don't even think the NL would put a REP in the playoffs and maybe not even the top 7. We should know that thou--- AL has won the last 9 ALL star games and 8-0 in the last 8 Series games. Can you say "superior" in any better way??? The "junior" circuit is now the NL.

Muddy

[buzzsaw]

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C'mon now Buzz....more wins with your pitchers batting in the NL? I don't think so.

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Bud, we will have to agree to disagree. the NL just doesn't match up with the AL this year in any way. I was really just taking our friend CNYtims temp these days.

[genegodawa]

Maybe I jumped the gun a little about Pitchers having to bat making any difference since the AL has such a commanding performance in W-L vs the NL.

I take it all back now Buzz. Maybe you guyz is right? Anybody (Mudd?) able to tell me what the W-L in NL parks vs in AL parks is this year?

[buzzsaw]

[Mudcutter]

No absoulute stats for you--- but with roughly 170 games played between the Nl/AL -- I know the AL won about 60-62% of the games (about 110-115). Just think of a team playing a 162 game reg season winning 105-108 games,,, they are not that bad on the road. From memory-- I think it was pretty even, so the AL won about 57-60% of the games played in NL parks. %%% doesn't sound that high, but then again, do the math in a 162 game season and you'll see that just winning 59% gives you 100 game season. Pretty good in my book.

Muudy

[Mudcutter]

my math got little off at the end,,, winning 59% of 162 games gives you a total of 97 (rounded up). Still--- good enough to win any div in the NL.

Muddy

[Spinner1]

"No absoulute stats for you--- but with roughly 170 games played between the Nl/AL -- I know the AL won about 60-62% of the games"

Mud

So after only 170 interleague games, you mean to tell me you're going to try to draw conclusions already?