Next years QB?

[soldoncass]

Locker reminds me of Steve Young. Almost a carbon copy...except right handed. Young did o.k. didn't he?

[efishsport]

Steve Young's senior year of college completion percentage--71.3%

Jake Locker's senior year of college completion percentage--55.4%

Locker will be a BUST! He's no comparison to Steve Young.

[soldoncass]

runs just like him, carbon copy

[soldoncass]

More Steve Young stats:

6'2" 205 #

Went to BYU first year 50% completions, second year 62.7%, third year 71.3%

He strugled passing and they considered moving him to db.

Also played basketball and baseball...pitcher and cf

Signed with LA Express of ufl...first year 57.7%, second year 54.8%

Signed with Tampa Bay...first year record 3-16 with 52.2% completions, second year 53.7%

Traded to San Fransisco, first year 53.6%, second year 53.5%, third year 69.6%, fourth year 61.3% etc.

I'm seeing A LOT OF SIMILARITIES between Young and Locker.

The question is: Can the Vikes wait 6 years for Locker to "develop", like it took Young???? Young was considered a BUST, until his 3rd year in SF.

[zepman]

I heard this same jazz from people when Matt Ryan came out from Boston college. Go look at junksons career completion percentage in college. We saw first hand how numbers translate to the NFL.

What does Matt Ryan OR TJack have to do with Jake Locker?

People considered Ryan to be the most polished q-back to come out of college in the last 10 years...you hear Ryan and Luck in the same conversations about this.

TJack...he played at a mid-major and was considered a 5th/6th rounder. That's exactly what he was....only we moved up to take him in the 2nd.

Neither has anything to do with Lockers inability to make a decision in the pocket.

[james_walleye]

Your right. Let's just wait and grab someone in the 4th round and hope we hit on the once in a lifetime Tom Brady and pass up the guy that more and more people have as a potential top 10 pick. If this team takes this route and tries to fill the qb of the future role this way then heads need to roll. This team needs to get a top talent in here. Look no further than to where pretty much all the top NFL qbs come from. Locker by many accounts is no longer a stretch at 12. If he is there u take him. Everywhere you look right now, locker is the name being tagged to the vikings. PS what you remember about Ryan before he was drafted is far different than the question marks I remember hearing about.

[PurpleFloyd]

Not everyone:

Quote:

4' date='507 passing yards

31 TD's - 19 INT's

59.3 completion %

Draft Projection - Top 10

NFL Impact

Matt Ryan seems to have all the intangibles it takes to be a top NFL signal caller. He has good size, and seems to understand the game well. However, his 19 INT's last year raise a red flag and he went through cold spells on accuracy in college. He has a gunslinger streak to him which is the cause of many of his interceptions. Ryan seems like a safe pick, but not sure if there is the superstar potential you would like if you were going to spend a top 10 pick on him. Ryan may be someone who could slide some come draft day.

Quote:

Ryan is the premiere quarterback of the class of 2008. He is a first round prospect with all the intangibles and is described accurately as a "winner." When compared to other draft classes, Ryan doesn't have the status of a Peyton or Eli Manning, Philip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger to some clubs, but he is a guy you can build a club around. It will be hard for Atlanta, Kansas City and Baltimore to all pass him in the top 10 spots. Ryan takes chances to win games, and has the pocket presence to keep a play alive and create on his own. Ryan has a good chance to have a Matt Hasselbeck type of career.[/quote']

I think his point was that Jackson put up numbers fairly similar to Ryan in college but obviously those numbers meant little once they both got to the NFL. One has done well and the other not so much.

[zepman]

Your right. Let's just wait and grab someone in the 4th round and hope we hit on the once in a lifetime Tom Brady and pass up the guy that more and more people have as a potential top 10 pick. If this team takes this route and tries to fill the qb of the future role this way then heads need to roll. This team needs to get a top talent in here. Look no further than to where pretty much all the top NFL qbs come from. Locker by many accounts is no longer a stretch at 12. If he is there u take him. Everywhere you look right now, locker is the name being tagged to the vikings. PS what you remember about Ryan before he was drafted is far different than the question marks I remember hearing about.

I don't want to "grab" for a qb in any round other than the first two. I'm a Mallet fan...IMO, we get him or we stay with what we currently have and sign a veteran. Maybe pick up McElroy in the later rounds with one of compensatory picks.

I've said it before...Bohmar and Locker are too similiar to draft him (Locker)in the 1st round.

By the way...the Redskins are the team most have linked to Locker.

[james_walleye]

Kind of ironic that your guy has been tagged with the highest probability of flop in this whole class. Guys with big arms that are complete headcases are not a recipe for success. If this is 10 years ago it would be Ryan Leaf all over again. The difference is this day and age teams know better. Hence the reason he will be a 2nd round pick and not a top 5 pick and probably not even worthy of the term flop. Just another guy with the physical tools but not anything else needed to be successful.

[zepman]

Those with the highest ceilings always get tagged with having the biggest chance to fall as well...it comes with the territory.

I think it's a mistake to compare q-backs with those past and present... but when I watched Mallet play the last two years one name came to mind everytime...Phillip Rivers.

[james_walleye]

There is a reason the guy with the best physical tools is a projected 2nd rounder. I want nothing to do with him.

[soldoncass]

"the reason" he's projected as a second rounder(by some), is NOT his talent level.....it is all the rumors, inuendoes, accusations flying around. Who has most to gain by spreading such rumors???? Rumors seem to gain strength on their own...even unfounded ones. I found a report on Mallet, done by someone who really dug into his past. He found nothing to prove all the rumors (except one public intoxified charge), and didn't think they had merit. His coaches, teammates, etc. all had positive comments on his character, work ethic, AND LEADERSHIP. The interviews I saw were o.k., although I don't think they are his favorite thing to do(like Moss and Chili types do). If the FO wants a talented QB that can stretch the field, and help us win soon, they draft Mallet. If they want a "dink and dunk", hand-off to AP type, they draft Ponder, or Stanzi, or Devlin, or McElroy.

The way Fraziers attitude is "looking ahead", forget mistakes,I do NOT see them passing on Mallet just because of some unsubstantiated rumors from the past.

Need a deep threat and a big armmed QB to open up the middle for Harvin...AND the line for AP. Draft playmakers on DEFENSE!!!!!

[LMITOUT]

Geez, if I read any more regurgitated Paul Allen talking points on Jake Locker I'm going to puke.

In case you people haven't noticed by now, pretty much everything said on the 9am-noon show on KFAN is usually wrong and it's typically a good idea to do a 180 from whatever P.A. says. You'll be better off in the long run!

[james_walleye]

So your telling me the general consensus of him being a 2nd rounder is based on bogus info? NFL teams are going to pass on a franchise qb based on a bunch of bogus info? You don't think these teams have done their proper research? Lol come on now. What do you think coaches and teammates are going to say? Did you really expect them to throw him under the bus? If he had all the skills to be a top 5 pick AND nothing in his "closet", he would be a top 5 pick. NFL teams don't pass on franchise qbs based on bogus reports.

[soldoncass]

Depending on WHOSE info you are reading, will determine who they LIKE and who they DON"T LIKE. SOME have LOCKER FALLING.....SOME have MALLET falling. I've even read about some thinking Gabbert will fall, and Newton, too. It only takes 1 team that needs a QB, and thinks "this" guy has the best value, or fits them the best, and he will be gone(whoever). By May 1 we'll have a better idea

I agree....."NFL teams don't pass on franchise QBs because of bogus reports". It won't surprise me if Mallet goes BEFORE Locker on the FIRST DAY. There is so much info, mis-info, rumors,smoke-screens , etc out there about everybody , we won't know til after the draft for sure, when anyone is going, cause it is such a fluid thing.

This much I am very confident of.....Frazier and co. will do all they can to figure out the best guys for our team, and if the problem was in the past, and is no longer a problem, they won't hesitate to draft someone. Fraziers thing is "look ahead, not back".

[LMITOUT]

Fraziers thing is "look ahead, not back".

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it....

[zepman]

So your telling me the general consensus of him being a 2nd rounder is based on bogus info? NFL teams are going to pass on a franchise qb based on a bunch of bogus info? You don't think these teams have done their proper research? Lol come on now. What do you think coaches and teammates are going to say? Did you really expect them to throw him under the bus? If he had all the skills to be a top 5 pick AND nothing in his "closet", he would be a top 5 pick. NFL teams don't pass on franchise qbs based on bogus reports.

You are correct. However, I haven't heard any of the rumors or stories about Mallet become substantiated by anyone yet....none.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Mallet go in the top 5 and I also wouldn't be suprised to see him fall to the 2nd round. The same can be said for Locker and half of the other so-called "first rounders" that people have on their mock boards now.

[zepman]

There is a reason the guy with the best physical tools is a projected 2nd rounder. I want nothing to do with him.

Randy Moss or Percy Harvin immediately come to mind when I read statements like this.

[james_walleye]

Well sold I have a bit different take on fraziers thinking. My guess is with where the vikings sit at qb, if there is a hint of doubt, any red flags at all, they will NOT pull the trigger. Certainly not stretch for a guy at 12 for someone projected in the 2nd round. I mean let's get something clear. This is not a guy that anyone thinks is going to go anywhere near the top 10, but may fall to the 2nd. This guy is a projected 2nd rounder. There is zero chance the vikrs take him in the first round.

[soldoncass]

Every "draft guru" has a different take also.....how many mocks do you see that are the same?

I finally found that in depth report about Mallet, I was referring to before. It is l-o-n-g, but worth the read. Google DRAFT WINDS: Lies ,dam lies , and Ryan mallet by Dave Hyde written on March 29.

I always liked Mallets arm and ball fakes, but didn't like the rumors etc.. Now they don't bother me, AND THE REPORTS I SEE ARE "THE vIKES ARE SPENDING A LOT OF time WITH MALLET". Anything can be read into that of course.....as well as someone with a closed mind, may not accept any of the report.

[james_walleye]

Well I finally found one mock draft that has mallet in the first round which begs the question: why would you take a person at pick 12 when virtually everyone thinks he is a second rounder. Of course the vikings are looking at him. It's because there is a great chance he's on the board at 44 and its possible things didn't go there way at 12. Or in the chance they trade down toward the end of the first where you could justify taken him. But it isn't going to happen at 12.

[FISHINGURU]

I say we don't even take a QB at #12 at all. We can get fill a bigger gap somewhere else and still get one of these QB's everyone is talking about in the 2nd round. If they are all a toss up why risk the 1st pick on a weak draft class. A couple of these guys will slip, Rodgers was supposed to be the 1st or 2nd best QB of his draft and slipped to the late 1st. Here your talking about 4-5 guys that are toss ups.

[Snag]

Maybe there's a guy playing arena football and bagging groceries like Kurt Warner. Not bad for a non drafted QB. Then there is Tom Brady. I'm sure there are more. I wouldn't waste the pick on Mallet, Newton or Locker hoping that one could be the next Manning.

D line is getting really old. D backs are questionable. O-line needs some help.

[james_walleye]

Hoping for the next once in a lifetime Tom Brady is a better option than the qbs you listed???? First and foremost this team needs the answer at qb. You don't go anywhere in the NFL without that answer. Hoping for the next Tom Brady is s far fetched option. I would rather see Mallet than some long shot in the 6th round.

[PurpleFloyd]

Well I finally found one mock draft that has mallet in the first round which begs the question: why would you take a person at pick 12 when virtually everyone thinks he is a second rounder. Of course the vikings are looking at him. It's because there is a great chance he's on the board at 44 and its possible things didn't go there way at 12. Or in the chance they trade down toward the end of the first where you could justify taken him. But it isn't going to happen at 12.

Well, we are the Vikings after all. You might ask why they would use a draft pick to move up in the 2nd to grab a QB who was projected to go in the 6th. Or why they would trade 7 players and 5 draft picks to get a RB that doesn't even like running in the system they are using.

On way or the other there are a whole bunch of teams in the league that need a QB and there is not a very good chance he will be there at 44 so we either take him at 12 if we want him, trade back and gain a pick if we think he will fall a little bit, or just plan on going with what we have.