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I have yet to deny anyone access to my land for hunting but as I've stated in other threads, I've been considering posting my land in the hope that it would help me keep control of who uses it. Funny thing is, my land is agricultural and it is already illegal for hunters to trespass without my permission and posting is redundant. I guess there are just too many that don't care about other's rights or maybe their mommies and daddies didn't teach them about respect or consideration for others. Do I sound a little perturbed? Sorry.

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Nope Bob, you sound about like I did back in January when the snowmobilers ran through my pasture and CREP acreage w/o permission. No biggy, right? Well, except for the electric fence wires they took down & strung for a few hundred yards, the insulators & gate hooks that were ruined, the fiberglass electric fenceposts that were snapped off, and the 3 hours of my time spent fixing their few seconds of joyriding. I went out on the snowshoes and posted it at the access points and they still ran through it anyway. They may get to see how they like high tensile electric fence after those episodes. This illustrates one of the problems with giving anybody and everybody who pays taxes access. This parcel is landlocked and with no easement, they'd have to trespass to get there. On a more pleasant note, when I was down there fixing a wood duck house the other night, I kicked up 7 hens and a rooster. Lucky guy! Next week I get the shrubby stuff to plant on the north side of the pasture for the birds, pheasants included. grin

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Augusta? I do fund it myself. I have paid dearly: I have fed you, I have clothed you, I have supplied you with energy, and I have done it proudly without needing recognition. I have toiled, sweat, worried, nurtured, prayed, enjoyed, been satisfied with both good and bad years, sacrificed personal gain for the benifit of society. Your contribution as a taxpayer to the CRP program falls woefully short in comparison; I too pay taxes. What logic explains how a short term govt payment can leverage five generations' stewardship, the risk of ag production, the value of land, accumulated property taxes, and potential liability claims??? Landowners will never appreciate an entitlement viewpoint and the sport will begin to suffer if it becomes a cultural sentiment. As I begin spring fieldwork, the telltale foot prints in the soil of last seasons tresspassers erode my confidence in peoples' sense of respect. What can I do? Maybe what comes around will go around.

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CRP is not an all-inclusive lease. You can twist it around as much as you want, but it is not. BUT....for arguments sake, lets use the term lease for a minute and use your example of leasing a truck. Are there not stipulations in that truck lease that you can only put on so many miles per year? Of course. And if you go over it, you have to pay more, right? Think of CRP this way. The base LEASE is setting aside marginal farm land. If you want more (ie hunting rights) you would have to pay more. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your viewpoint, that stipulation is not in the CRP contract.

I, too, have had, do have, and will have CRP. I have entered in to the contract with the govt to give them the set aside in exchange for not farming it. As part of that agreement, I have to keep the land in the condition I agreed to. At this time, that is the only contract available to me. So that is what I chose to do. If the contract included a public hunting provision, then I would have to decide if I wanted that. I wouldn't, because I have put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into that land to provide habitat for animals. People dont realize the work that a landowner puts into it. While nonlandowners are going to Como Zoo on a Sunday afternoon, we are covered in dust, fixing a flat tire in the middle of a field somewhere. Personally, I dont think it is right for someone to come around one time a year, have an attitude that they are entitled to hunt my land, leave garbage, poach, leave ruts, etc and then complain about a contract I have with the govt that has nothing to do with hunting.

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As stated before, wildlife are a bi-product of this program. Much of the CRP acres in minnesota are buffer strips. Without them, the water quality in your favorite lake and river would suffer. Then people would [PoorWordUsage] and moan about bad water quality. I can't for the life of me figure out why every acre of huntable land should be hunted by the public. Having a place where a few birds and deer can survive until next year is not a bad thing. Contrary to some peoples belief.

As far as more public land to hunt, I am all for it. However, asking landowners goes a long ways as far as hunting great private land. I hunt every chance I get, I don't own any land but I still have decent success. When asking permission, drive up to the place slow, tearing up to a place really turns people off. Try having a bit of a conversation with the person, and be gracious and thankful if you are allowed to hunt or not. Don't act like the land is there for you to hunt. I do get turned down quite a bit but the landowner usually apologizes for not letting me hunt. It is always something like "sorry but my son in law hunts it, otherwise I would."

Instead of saying we should do away with CRP, ask some landowners if you can hunt it, be courtious whether allowed to hunt it or not, and then everybody wins.

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You can plant up to 5% not to exceed 5 ac. per contract. You may have one contract or several depending on how it was signed up.

There is also an option to convert up to 50% of the cover to a grass legume cover which is also good for deer, pheasant and turkey...throw a few brassicas and chicory in the planter when you are seeding it down for some extra benefit.

You simply go to your local CRP office and ask them for a "modification of the plan" for these types of activities. It does not cost you anything and they should able to help you. There are no reasons for them to say "no" as these are approved practices. If you run into issues, let me know. Also, when that CRP is ready to expire, we should talk about more options to increase your income and get better cost share to upgrade your cover. I used to work for USDA and know the programs inside and out.

Good luck and let us know how you do.

Land Dr

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Augusta..don't worry, you are partially getting your wish within the next 3 years. Hundreds of thousands of acres will be comming out of CRP and pheasant, deer numbers will take a nose dive. We might be able to buy a couple thousand though with the saved money laugh.

CRP is a great program and provides a ton of habitat for a wide variety of wildlife. Most farmers are taking it out and you can't blame them. I think its around $75 an acre for having land in CRP and that land can be rented out for about $250 an acre. The DNR/government it not leasing that land for "you". Its for the wildlife in an attempt to keep population numbers high for hunting. The wildlife doesn't just sit on the CRP is was raised on all its life.

Learn how to be polite and ask for permission and more often than not you will be able to hunt some of that private property in CRP.

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The 5%/5ac deal is correct but it's all dependent upon what sort of practice the acreage is signed up for. I'm assuming it's a general sign up instead of a continuous. Either way as stated you'd want to check with the FSA/NRCS office for the county to modify your plan/contract.

Yes there is a potential for a conversion of some acreage to incorporate more of a legume component but mainly that would consist of the native legumes (purple/white prairie clover, Partridge Pea, etc.) Chicory brassica's probly aren't going to be allowed to be mixed in.

Point of the story...Check with FSA/NRCS first

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