Section 199-Fon Du Lac Reservation

[TRZ]

i was wondering if anyone has hunted this section, I'm considering a place up there. Is the deer hunting diminished by the liberal hunting rights of the native Americans on the reservation?

[Borch]

I lloked pretty close at buying a place there 5-6 years ago. Decided against it with the lower doe permits and deer harvest numbers. Things definitely may have chnages since then though.

[83walleye]

For crying out loud - Native Americans start shooting deer in September, and quit at the end of December. No wonder they have lower permit numbers. Subsistence hunting, you know...

[TRZ]

Other than the fact that the native americans have a longer season is there any other disadvantage or reason to not want a place inside the reservation? it looks like i may buy a place there so any info would be greatly appreciated.

[elevatorguy]

In my opinion a reservation is what you make of it. As for the deer numbers I would have to say that they are probably equivilant to the numbers around the area here. Maybe a hair lower but probably not noticeable. And as for the indians that hunt I am not sure how many really actually get out there. But one thing some people don't realize is that not all indians that hunt are bad. I happen to be friends with 2 that hunt. And yes they do shoot alot of deer but you have to realize that they feed their families with these. No deer goes to waste. Also they hunt all over and not just on the Res. And yeah there may be a few that just go out to shoot them but there are alot of non-indian people that do the same thing. So don't knock them for feeding thier families.

[Jackpine Rob]

If you are buying property within the boundaries of the reservation, make sure you purchase an Owner's Policy of Title Insurance. Insist that the Policy cover access to your property. Property rights within reservation boundaries is a little trickier than buying a house in the big city, and you need to protect yourself. Don't cut costs or corners in getting the proper coverage.

[TRZ]

Thanks for the advise, i figured the deer population would not be diminished too bad i just wondered how many people took advantage of their liberal rights. Just like everyone else there are good and bad individuals. many of the people who complain about native americans are the same guys who road hunt which is way worse. What exactly is a owner's policy of title insurance and what does it do?

[Jackpine Rob]

Not all that long ago, when someone bought a piece of property they went to their attorney, and he would research the title and handle the transaction. Along the way, he would give the buyer an Attorney's Opinion of Title, which told the buyer who owned the property, if there were any mortgages or easements or restrictions, etc.

Nowadays these things tend to go from the realtor to the title company. The title company researches the land records, determines who owns the property, and handles the closing. The product that the title company sells is called title insurance. If you have a lender involved, the lender will REQUIRE you to buy a policy protecting their interests. What the banks/lenders know is that they want to make sure the mortgage comes from the right person and that no one else has dibs on the property.

The title policy for the owner shows that YOU own the land, and that YOU have the right to access the land. A good example is the guy who buys a chunk of property from good old Bill down the street. Later, Bill's brother shows up and says "HEY, GET OFFA MY LAND". Bill of course has either died or moved away. You find out that Bill had been living on the property since Mom died in 1948, but Bill never really owned it.

No title insurance? You're toast.

True story on an Reservation. Guy buys a chunk of lakeshore on a good fishing lake, and puts up his dream home. This place is a mansion, and he spared no expense in putting the place up. Being a smart guy, he purchased title insurance when he bought the land, and the banks that loaned him the money to build the place bought title insurance also.

In addition to being a smart guy, this guy also manages to tick off his Native neighbors. Pretty soon, the tribe informs the guy that he can no longer use THEIR ROADS to get to his property, and in fact he can't go across any tribal lands.

Ooops.

The title insurance company paid out on that one - the owner was compensated for his (now worthless) property and the bank was paid for their (now worthless) mortgage.

[chucker34]

Jackpine Rob gives good advice. We just bought some land that has been in my wife's family since the 1850s. They basically bought it from the governement. You should see the book of paperwork documenting how many times this land changed hands through different relatives within the family. To boot, surveying methods weren't very good back then and markers non-existant. We paid a good amount to have the title cleared and land surveyed, but in the end we sleep easy at night noing now no one can ever challenge it since we went through the proper legal recourse.

[TRZ]

Thanks alot for the info. I'm new to this whole thing so any information is appreciated, especially from someone as knowledgable as yourself.

[seekingwalleye]

I grew up living on the fon du lac reservation and from my own experience I have not noticed anything different from hunting around here at my house then anywhere else in the state. I have hunted in many places and some of the biggest deer I have ever seen were right on the Reservation. As stated above..being here everyday.. Im not sure as many indians hunt as people think.. ya they can start in sept. but I haven't witnessed much. I don't see a difference living here then anywhere else.. other then there are local cops, state patrol, and tribal police..so you have to be a little more careful with the speed limit! other then that i love it here..

[bigg edd]

I have hunted deer and bear on private land in 199. The land is not hunted by the owner nor do they let anybody else hunt it and they have never had a problem. I have seen plenty of deer and bear.

[firemedic5586]

My 2cents:

I have lived and hunted 199 all my life, turn 40 real soon.

Yes we have deer, even trophy class animals. '>My 05 Buck However you have to work a bit harder to get them, not to mention the lotery for does when the rest of the state can preaty much take four. Depending upon the area you hunt the preasure can be "INTENSE". Like what was stated the natives start in Sept and end in Dec. One person can fill their tags, and tags for whoever they want from grandpa's to friends.....Thats if they even use a tag, I know of some natives that don't even bother to tag their deer.

We hunt 80 acres private land that is bordered on two sides by State Game refuge, and on the other two sides by county land that can only be bow hunted with permision. The preasure we see is rather high. People shooting deer out of our fields in the middle of the night. Tresspassing like you would not believe, road hunting ect. I had natives tresspass with the intent to poach come into the field I was hunting two times. One was after a decoy I had out the other time was after this '>Guy when I was bow hunting. Ended up rifleing him. Mentioned this to one of our local wardens and he said that I would have to have FDL tribal wardens handle that, followed by a "Good Luck" with that one.

Where in 199 are you looking at property?

[firemedic5586]

Repost of the buck I ended up taking with a rifle because of tresspassing natives that busted him out of the field that I was hunting. '>06 Buck