Landowners permits not valid if not in bonus area,all season is Go Figure

[primetime49]

It seems that every year we want to put a doe in the freezer besides waiting for the trophy buck our local landowners including freinds and myself that allow an awfull lot of hunters get thrown out when we try to get the free liscense that is supposed to be allowed if we let people hunt our propertys.It is happening about every other year here in Kandiyohi County.This year after having excited several freinds whos family hunt that this spiff of a liscense is available simply by applying for it when they purchase the regular one,but again this year its not.Every year we all get excited and do our checking into it and the DNR says they will get the glitch out of the procedure but again it wasnt fixed.But if you or I had bought an all season liscense we could take our three deer per person even though were zoned non bonus.the reason the computer doesnt kick out the permit is local management has decided there is a shortage of deer eliminating this spiff.On the other hand no free doe.Maybe they shouldnt be offering the landowners permit at all ,seems like a bribe to make some property owners let people hunt private property.You have to let others hunt if you want one permit and only one per property.Last year We had three deer for our freezer and they were picked by a large choice of deer because this allowed a doe or antlerless without lottery.This year I figured that all is fair that if we were told that less deer would be out there bonus option was kicked out in computers for our zone.People are getting three deer on all season though.I passed on slug season because I actually thought there are less deer here.Sit and get picky on bow hunting ,real picky.I have seen some real nice bucks ,not very many young or lessers but not the one I would eat just because the rack was big.We still allowed lots of hunters on our propertys,some got there deer.I guess I will take only the one of those left that looks tasty and not trophy hunt now.Go figure that 2 years ago when regulations on bonus were not published early in the year I got the one and only Lnadowners here and when regulations here were decided no one else could get one.The DNR said well if the computer kicked it out you have a liscense.Sorry guys I framed that one for reference .Is this liscense fair,not needed or just published in the DNR booklet to make every sportsmen think that landowners are really being rewarded.I really like the people that come out to hunt but am now also planning some out of state hunts just to make sure I feel satisfied with 3 in the freezer,some people dont eat venison but my wife three daughters and myself love it.also worried that anyone with a chance at 2 does and a buck will shoot a small buck just for fun of it.

[Northland Sportsman]

I think that the land owner permits are heavily abused, at least in my area. I got a list of property owners with permits that are SUPPOSED to let the public hunt on there property, at their discretion of course. I think they take this as " I can get the license but don't have to let people hunt because they have to ask permission and I can say no" To me the law allowing landonwer permits means that they have to allow some public hunting on the land, allowing one person would satisfy this requirement. I personally asked for permission on 2 properties from the list of permit holders and was denied access because they were still hunting. They did not allow any other public hunting either. I think this is abuse of the rule and it should be discontinued or changed to clarify the law. I know of others that will not let anyone hunt and still apply for the license as well.

[decoy]

If they aren't letting anyone hunt.... That is a problem.

But, they can get around it. They can say that they gave a 99 year old lady down the road permission.

The law is clear. If you put in for the free tag, you only have to let one (non-family member, local, friend, non-houshold person) what ever you want to call it) hunt to satisfy the law. The landowner is still the landowner.

I hunt on a friends land. If he puts in for the free tag, He satisfys the law by letting me hunt.

The problems arise when you have too many non-law abiding or law-ignorant locals who think "public land... no need to ask.... it's on the list..."

Just because someones land is on the list, doesn't mean it's OPEN to the public.

My friend doesn't apply for the gratis...

It saves tons of phone calls, would be poachers, trespassers, and problems.

My $0.02...

[primetime49]

northland I did not know they make lists of landowners.This seems like someone has tapped the privacy rule that applies to personal rights etc.The way this was suggested to work was that if you are in split seasons or gun,bow archery,muzzle that after or before you use your landowners you have another party or partys in line to use your property.It is not intended to have both paties on same property during same season.Actually it discourages having them both out.If someone is not allowing hunters they should not have privalage themselves.I am personally not in favor of liscense but redicuously keep applying for it because its my right.This permit can only be handed to someone in direct relation so its safe if familys draw out the guidelines.Its part of generational training were supposed to teach the generation your in ,the one before you if you think they dont understand it, and mostly a hand me down way of sharing to future sportsmen.thnaks for your input.

[primetime49]

decoy,you to are talking about alist,I dont know of any.As a matter of fact when this spiff was being put together its one of the things that was suppoed to be left confidntial.Would like to know if there actually is one.That would make two thimgs out of wack with the way it is supposed to work,the first being,not being able to get one every other year.I guess that over 60 peopple hunt our land each year for the many types of game that is out there and we encourage more to shoot preditors,cats skunks,coyote,and fox etc.if they see them.But if someone that is a stranger were to come along and say that they have a list that says were on it for permission to hunt I would probaly first say give me time to figure out who you are.Maybe Being the 46 GMC pickup ia in the woods or the building is storing something of value I would not let strangers in to property.When I go to the metrodome for a game they put the men in one line the women in another and frisk them.Beyond that its an honor to be able to go to the game.What would someone do 1 mile away from dome if I didnt want to pay $25,.00 to get in parkinglots that allow talegating and I pulled up and asked if we could talegate on there lawn because we are not from the area and were going to game.Or camp on there yard or stalk aroun looking for other fans,Sounds silly but a couple of years ago we got this subject ON GARAGE LOGIC and created some appathy for rural landowners/If someone comes as a a total stranger and could pass a background check,work reference ,people we know in common I could probaly make a decision in a couple of weeks if thay were going to be on my properety digging around and stalking game for that next season.That also makes people feel violated just like I now do knowing that there may be a list out their with my name on it saying I carry this spiff for one extra deer.I like your thoughts and will go into public right to hunt as I have worked for 2 decades to make a relationship that gets people a place to hunt and the landowner a feel of satisfaction for allowing tham to do so.But let me tell everyone that the amount of time some peoplearetaking, putting a piece of property into a good hunting parcal for there close group there are many places most of us will never hunt.But this was and still is intended to allow one other party to use property during season spiff was issued. If people want to hunt start to converse withproperty owner maybe at least season ahead of time so they can feel you out on the issue.thanks,hopeI canget more input fromyou.

[Northland Sportsman]

You can get a list of property owners with landowner permits from the DNR web site. The rule allowing a permit sounds pretty clear to me. It says that if you get a landowner free license, you open your prpoerty to public hunting. If you do not wish to do this you should not apply for the permit and get a free license, but if you would like an extra free tag to fill you are stating that you will allow public hunting on your property. I tdoes day that you can limit the amount of hunting and do not have to give permission to all who ask. It just seems to me that you would have to allow at least one person from the public to hunt your property if they ask permission. I have no problem with people not letting others hunt on their property, that is their right. They should jsut not apply for a free tag unless they plan to allow someone to hunt if asked. This rule does leave some gray areas that I think should be clarified. There seems to be no way to enforce the rule that says you have to allow public hunting.

[decoy]

Right Northland,

I spoke with the Local CO and he said that it may be more headache than it is worth to get the free lic. He said that the public who get the list may interepret the law wrong and just trespass or enter without asking.

He also said that he didn't know how a prosecuting judge would interepret the law when it came to public trespassing because it's such a grey area.

I found it intersting that a judge could interepret the law other than how it is written, but that's their job I guess.

I, for one, would just pay for the regular lic. and know that my name and property are not listed there for two reasons:

1. I am not going to get constant phone calls from guys asking,

"Can I hunt your Land?"

2. The possibility of trespassing wouldn't be more than normal.

Guy's in our area are usually pretty good, but trespassing has been a problem in the past. I wouldn't want to give them a reason to even entertain the idea.

It also seems that there are several issues being discussed within this topic.

Perhaps some guys are in -non intensive harvest areas and see this as a way to get an extra deer. That may be an entirely different set of circumstances. For us in the intensive harvest area it isn't an issue. I think I could have got 9 tags this year: rifle, 4 intensive, archery, muzzle, 2 early doe.

Who needs 9 deer?.........