New deer calibers

[big drift]

I understand the concept of killing energy around 900 to a 1,000 to be minimum for standard cup and core bullets. However with the 62 gr. TSX retaining 100% weight and with say a 1 in 15 twist pushing your velocities upwards of 4,000 feet per sec.and grouping under a 1/2" MOA on a thin skinned animal. There is no down sides.

It is all a matter of shot placement and with less felt recoil causing less flinch for a young or beginner more power to them.

Once I get quickload functional I will run the numbers then we can get to the meat and taters of the topic;)

[snapcrackpop]

 Originally Posted By: PerchJerker

I'm not talking about gut shot deer --- if you're gut shooting deer, either start practicing or stop hunting.

Ha, ha, ha. I'm not gut shooting deer.

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...I think the calibers in question are barely adequate for deer.

Exactly. ADEQUATE, but barely. Therefore up to individuals to make the right shot at the right distance. AKA bowhunting.

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...for reliable kills with marginal hits...

same goes for larger calibers. See above.

I'll continue to use my .308, but when my little guy is of age I hope he can use a smaller one.

[lient]

Why not let you little guy use a .243, there is alot more variance in bullet weight, and is probably what would be used if .22 caliber is not legalized, and you would be getting around 700 more pounds of energy with it.

[fisherking01]

 Originally Posted By: big drift

I understand the concept of killing energy around 900 to a 1,000 to be minimum for standard cup and core bullets. However with the 62 gr. TSX retaining 100% weight and with say a 1 in 15 twist pushing your velocities upwards of 4,000 feet per sec.and grouping under a 1/2" MOA on a thin skinned animal. There is no down sides.

It is all a matter of shot placement and with less felt recoil causing less flinch for a young or beginner more power to them.

Once I get quickload functional I will run the numbers then we can get to the meat and taters of the topic;)

Problem is 99% of the hunters do not have any idea what you just said. You have to remember this is a special interest site, visited by shooting enthusiasts. This boils down to very few hunters understanding the capabilities of most calibers.

A .243 in most situations is just as comfortable to shoot as any .22 centerfire, definitely not unbearable.

[Fishpondc]

.22 magnum is the poachers choice, and they're not hunters

[Blair Nelson]

Lemme see ... 80's vintage push feed Model 70 22-250 Carbine ... 6x36 M8 Leupold starting to turn a little "plum" colored ... some 53 gr Barnes TSX's seated at 2.36 OAL (Lands minus .05 in said rifle)work up loads with R15, Big Game, or H414 (just cause those are the most appropriate powders sitting on my shelf) until I find something that will put 5 in an inch at about 3600 fps out of the short tube ...

Who wants to bet I cain't OSOK a MN venado on first go 'round with a clear shot to the boiler room at anywhere on the close side of 250 yds?

How much?

May have to do so and take autopsy photos for anyone named "Thomas" ...

The good news is it won't leave any messy lead fragments to brain damage the starving orphans ...