PS3 Nat 2 help

[upnorth]

A bit further north DSL sucks. I know more than a couple people made the switch from cable to DSL and within a month canceled and went back to cable.

But like Spearchucker pointed out, not every company is the same. Many but\y a fair sized uplink and then over sell it. I have seen times for some that it little better than dial up.

Where I work there is a project to lay about 900 miles or so of fiber, they say we can connect at a gigabit, but our actual bandwidth will more than likely peak at a 100 megabit.

Many ISPs figure only so many people will be on at the same time, so they sell big. But there are peak times when the uplinks can get totally saturated and speeds can get down to a trickle.

[spearchucker]

There is a company laying fiber around here too for rural broadband. It is going to be form of DSL and is very high bandwidth as you stated. I am told that this is part of the government money to expand broadband to everyone.

I would guess that the DSL is bad up north because they are mostly small towns with old wiring which limits the bandwidth and quality. The DSL company that I used had run new wire throughout the entire town which I am sure added to the reliability and quality. I currently have cable internet and I think my node is getting saturated because the speed drops off quite bit during peak times lately, so hopefully it doesn't get worse.

[LwnmwnMan2]

Well... update #2.

I crashed my Speedstream 5200 last night.

It got to the point where I couldn't even access it while wired directly to the modem with the computer.

I called Frontier at 7 am this morning and 35 minutes later I have a new Gigaset SE567 modem / router combo.

Now I'll have to reset my network.

If I go into the new modem and reset the SSID to my old SSID, all of my other components should work? Or do I have to go into all the other components and look up the new SSID?

OR?!?!?! When I wire to my Belkin router, will that still have the old SSID so then all the other components will still connect to the Belkin?

[pureinsanity]

I am not taking it personal, I was just stating the facts that I know first hand. Frontier sucks, the speeds vary during the time of the day and the amount of people using it.

Comcast doesn't do that to me.

We were to far out of a larger town so we were directed the opposite way to a smaller town. Like clock work if you were downloading something at 3:30 pm it would slow down significantly because of the kids getting on the internet after school. Same with around supper time when kids would get back on the internet after dinner.

[pureinsanity]

Lawnie, you have a modem/router combo. The way things are set up won't work. You need to bridge the new modem/router. You might have to call them for help with this. Than you should be able to hook it up to your Belkin.

Right now if you hook it up you are just connecting two wireless routers together and well your going to have troubles.

[pureinsanity]

Follow these directions to turn your Gigaset (Siemens SE567) modem/wifi router combo into a wireless switch (bridge mode) that will work with any ISP/Ethernet uplink:

1. First of all, reset your SE567 to its factory settings. Hold the button on the bottom in until the power light starts alternating green and red.

2. After the SE567 reboots, connect to port 1 with your computer.

3. Go to »192.168.1.254/ and log in (on the top right) using ID: admin, PW: telus

4. Go through the Setup Wizard (or manually, your choice) and configure your security and any other settings the way you want them. When you are done you will be asked to reboot.

5. Go to the above URL and log in once again.

6. Go to the following URL to turn on bridge mode: »192.168.1.254/brgmode.htm This URL is not anywhere in the settings, you will have to go there manually. You will be asked to reboot the SE567 once again.

7. After rebooting, unplug your computer from port 1 and plug your WAN connection into port 4. You should now be able to access the SE567 with your laptop and the security settings you applied to it.

Note, when in bridge mode, the SE567 will not function as the router it once did. It functions as a wireless switch and is not capable of assigning IP addresses and will only pass an IP to your computer from the WAN device it is connected to. The LAN ports on the back will not function, and you are unable to access the SE567's settings unless you reset it again. If you require multiple wireless connections, you can either have your ISP assign multiple IP addresses or you can plug the SE567 into an old wired router, which will also assign more than one IP address over the switch.

The Gigaset SE567 I used for this had the following firmware version on it: Firmware version: 004-E652-A3D-115-36-13 Configuration version: 003-6184-G12 ADSL driver version: a7.00.02.00

[spearchucker]

After you follow pureinsanity's instructions you should be able to plug in your Belkin router and use it.

The other option would be to leave the Siemens wireless router from Frontier configured as a router and just put your SSID in and use it instead of the Belkin. It may work fine for you and then you will have 1 less piece of hardware running.

[pureinsanity]

After you follow pureinsanity's instructions you should be able to plug in your Belkin router and use it.

The other option would be to leave the Siemens wireless router from Frontier configured as a router and just put your SSID in and use it instead of the Belkin. It may work fine for you and then you will have 1 less piece of hardware running.

This is true, but he will still be stuck with the nat 3 for ps3. At least if he can bridge it and bypass frontiers router combo he can at least use the belkin to its full potential.

[spearchucker]

I don't think the Siemens modem/router alone would be any different than the bridge(modem only) going into the Belkin. The belkin is probably a better performing router though. Either solution is a modem/router combo. You should still be able to get NAT 2 as long as you only have 1 router in the mix.

[LwnmwnMan2]

I've moved the router / modem to where the PS3 is so I can wire the PS3.

This will then cause my 3 computers to be wireless, which I already either have cards for them, or they have built in cards.

I don't really care if the computers are "g" because they're only used for either surfing the web or the kids play nickjr.com, or other kids games online.

The only problem that I can see that I might have will be when I get a new desktop after Christmas.

I need to update my desktop so I can download video to it easier, and then I'd like to set it up as a media server so the PS3 will recognize it, and I can stream the home movies through the PS3 to the TV.

The issue will be, if I leave the Siemens as my main router as a "g", will I be able to stream the HD home movies, or do I need to get an "N" router on my network?

Also, when you stream through the media server on the PS3, does the PS3 buffer enough so the movie isn't completely choppy?

[pureinsanity]

Ive always had trouble configuring those combo's. The way frontier has them programmed is weird. They don't allow you to do much.

[spearchucker]

G won't work very well for streaming HD content. Ideal is wired between the PS3 and computer. Is it possible to run ethernet in the house? It depends on the configuration of the house, but it only took me an afternoon to wire jacks at each of my TVs upstairs and downstairs. They all are connected to a 6 port wall jack in my office where they are patched into my switch and router. They are simple to wire if you can get access. The other option which I haven't used is the powerline ethernet adapters. I have never used them, but I think they get around 80Mb/s over your home electrical wiring.

[pureinsanity]

He is not streaming anything. it's strictly playing ps3....

[LwnmwnMan2]

He is not streaming anything. it's strictly playing ps3....

No, I want to use the PS3 as a media server to play my HD home movies on the big tv.

And no, it's not really possible to run ethernet cables right now. We bought my parents' house, and the basement is finished with pine tongue and groove, including the ceiling.

This is where I figure I'll have to probably figure out a way to put the new desktop in the case with the Wii / Ps3 / Sat receiver / tuner, etc.

I changed the SSID on the new modem to my old SSID so my range expanders will work, those were a complete pain to configure the first time.

I hooked into the Belkin and everything is working so far.

The PS3 has a wired connection, now says UPnP is available but I'm still at NAT 3.

I've got the PS3 wired into the Belkin which is wired into the new Siemens.

[spearchucker]

Did you follow pureinsanity's instructions to change the Siemens into a bridge or did you just leave it in router mode? If it is still in router mode, take the Belkin out of the equation and plug right into the Siemens and you might get NAT2.

[LwnmwnMan2]

I wired the PS3 directly into the Siemens, and now UPnP is unavailable and I'm still NAT3.

I then rewired the PS3 back into the Belkin and now UPnP is unavailable and I'm still NAT3.

[pureinsanity]

Lawnie, I might have to make a road trip to get this resolved for you.

[pureinsanity]

Lawnie, I did some research... Apparently frontier doesnt have Nat 2 in their modems. All you can do is DMZ the PS3 and hope it works.

id uncheck attack detection in the firewall portion of the modem as well

[LwnmwnMan2]

Where is says "Enable DMZ with this host IP address" that's where I put the IP address of the PS3, correct?

[pureinsanity]

Just remember, the modem while in a bridge would only be running as a modem. You may get a network address from it, but it will not give Internet access simply by plugging into it.

I also forgot to mention the first thing to check before Bridging is to verify that you are using a PPPoE connection and not a PPPoA connection. PPPoA connections cannot be bridged.

Go to »192.168.254.254/ and log in with the Username and Password of admin/admin respectively. Once in the Administration menu, choose ISP connection and verify that it shows a "PPPoE" connection and not a "PPPoA" connection as Frontier does tend to use both from time to time.

Once the modem is bridged, log into your router and in theConnection Settings. Switch it from DHCP to PPPoE, and then Enter in your Username and Password for the Frontier service. It will be the same one used on the Modem/for your Frontier E-mail Login. Make sure you choose the "Keep Alive" option if it is available, and verify the MTU is set to 1492 if it isn't already set to that. From there, save the settings and head to the Status Page of the router. You should see information the IP address information the Router is holding, as well as options to Connect or Disconnect the PPPoE session. When it is connected, you should see a Disconnect button along with your IP address and DNS servers.

Frontier doesn't support bridging. So don't tell them you bridged the modem.

[pureinsanity]

Here is your next step if any of this stuff doesn't work.

#1 Buy your own modem.

You don't have to pay your ISP for leasing there equipment anymore. By law they have to let you use your own equipment. All you need to do is hook it up and call them and give them the MAC address on your modem.

#2 This will make up for the cost of you buying your own modem within 6 months typically due to the 10$+ a month charge you are most likely paying right now to lease your gigaset modem/router.

#3 Thy might not offer you tech support on your own equipment if you have a issue. But sounds like they don't offer you much as is. Also if your modem breaks you will have to replace it on your own.

#4 Having your own modem will allow you to run a open Nat type 2 using your own router with it. Due to being able to control all of your settings without the security of your ISPs preexisting settings.

[pureinsanity]

Where is says "Enable DMZ with this host IP address" that's where I put the IP address of the PS3, correct?

there should be a port forwarding option. I cant remember anymore. This is why I hate frontier and their modems. the navigation on the thing is horrible. The firmware sucks.

[pureinsanity]

Yes that is the place lawnie, but I am willing to bet 100$ that it wont work

[spearchucker]

I you DMZ the PS3 you won't need UPnP. If pureinsanity can get the modem in bridge mode it should give your belkin router a routable WAN IP address. Then you should be in business.

[upnorth]

OK...let's get one thing straight here. The bandwidth bottle neck is not going to be your wired or wireless network. Unless you are getting a really krappy signal you should be getting at least 11 mb wireless and 100 mb wired connection on the network. For the most part DSL unless it is really really high end is going to max out at 1.5 mb. There is no way you will be able to over run your internal network. Your internal network is going to be able to deliver at least 7 times the bandwidth the DSL connection can. Quit worrying about internal connection speed.

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Just remember, the modem while in a bridge would only be running as a modem.

It will be acting like an AP not a modem. It will not be Modulating/Demodulation anything. All it will do is allow you to make the connection from the air to the wire. And you will need to have a DHCP server on the other side handing out IP addresses, and most ISPs will only allow you to have one. And that will really limit your internal network.

I have no idea what the PS3 runs on or really how NAT3 works, but you would be better off getting a device that will work happily with the PS3 without so much futzing. Running NAT twice on a network is no big deal, it happens a lot in business world.

All normal NAT(Network Address Translation) does is take a public IP address or whatever the internet side interface of your router has for an IP address and uses that when it takes a packet from the internal network and sends it to the internet. So if your pc send out a request for a webpage the router takes that IP adddress and replaces it with it's internet side IP address, then what it comes back there is a tag in the packet that the router uses to know where to send the packet on the internal network. So adding one more level of NAT is not going make a noticeable difference.

Setting up DMZ requires a device capable of DMZ. All a DMZ will do for you is bypass setting up port forwarding. And even then anything else on that network would need to locked down pretty tight as you will be opening it up to the Internet without the benefit of a firewall.