PS3 Nat 2 help

[LwnmwnMan2]

I'm running a Belkin N1 router.

I DMZ'd my ps3 on the ps3 and the router, those numbers all match.

I rebooted everything (kinda).

I started it up again and I'm still UPnP disabled and still Nat 3.

I say I rebooted everything because I didn't reboot my 2 range expanders, I didn't feel like going to my mom's house next door in my underwear, a little too chilly tonight.

The ps3 has a static IP now, which is set up in the router.

Any other help other than just hooking the modem to the ps3 directly to see if that even changes it?

[upnorth]

If you are in a DMZ within a firewall you are basically just allowing unfiltered traffic to and from the Internet to the devices. You may need to make sure you forward traffic to your PS3 with port forwarding within your firewall. Without that it may not know where to send the traffic. And no I don't know which ports you need to forward.

I did a quick search and it seems you would want to enable the UPnP to make things work.

I am not really familiar with NAT 3 must be something mainly to do with gaming.

[LwnmwnMan2]

I've set my router to enable UPnP as well as the PS3, but it still says UPnP not available.

[pureinsanity]

You have to open up some ports and port foward in addition to the DMZ. at least that is what I had to do.

[spearchucker]

You have to open up some ports and port foward in addition to the DMZ. at least that is what I had to do.

If you have the PS3 in the DMZ you should not need to port forward anything to the PS3. That is the whole point of DMZ, it port forwards every port to the DMZ'ed device (PS3 in this case). I think there is an option in the PS3 networking settings to turn on UPnP so make sure that is turned on. Just go through the network setup and you will see the option to turn it on. I bet that is your problem if you have it turned on in the router.

I had mine working for a couple years just using UPnP, but had a problem with Battlefield 2 Bad Company timing out when the kids play online, so I had to add the PS3 to the DMZ. That game was the only one that I have had problems with. It is like the game would allow the ports to timeout and close, but wouldn't re-open them when needed. There have been some updates to the game now so maybe I could try taking it out of the DMZ, but I'm not too worried about someone hacking my PS3.

[LwnmwnMan2]

I've got ports forwarded, the PS3 in DMZ and UPnP enabled on both the PS3 and router.

Remember, I'm running Frontier DSL, which isn't exactly the best internet to deal with either.

[spearchucker]

My Mom has Frontier DSL and it sucks. Which modem do you have? Is it a wireless one with a router built-in or just the modem?

Again with the DMZ or UPnP you shouldn't need to forward any ports, but obviously something still isn't working correctly. What ports are you forwarding?

[LwnmwnMan2]

speedstreem 5200, just the modem.

belkin n1 router.

ports 3074, 3478-4380, 27000-27030.

[pureinsanity]

Setting up for PS3

I posted this a while ago. Follow this, it will work

[spearchucker]

I looked at mine while home for lunch and found a few things. PS3 will show UPnP unavailable during the network test even with UPnP enabled on the router and PS3 if the PS3 is DMZ'ed. It seems that the router knows that UPnP is unneeded for a DMZ device and doesn't respond to UPnP traffic. This makes sense since DMZ defeats the purpose of DMZ.

I would disable all port forwards (not needed) and either DMZ the PS3 or try using UPnP. Theoretically DMZ should not be needed with UPnP if everything is coded correctly.

[pureinsanity]

It works for me and I am keeping it that way. I am not really worried about people prodding around my ps3 hard drive.

[spearchucker]

It works for me and I am keeping it that way. I am not really worried about people prodding around my ps3 hard drive.

I hear ya. I wouldn't worry about it either. My point is that DMZ forwards all ports, so the port forwarding really isn't doing anything and with DMZ you might as well turn off UPnP too because that isn't doing anything either.

[LwnmwnMan2]

**Update**

I'm finally out of the plow truck for a couple of days (hopefully).

I pulled the DSL modem and router from the bedroom and moved them to the living room to wire the PS3 in.

I went into my Speedstream 5200 modem and enabled UPnP there (wasn't done before), UPnP is enabled on the router and I still have UPnP Not Available and Nat 3.

Do I need to DMZ the PS3 with the modem too?

My modem says firewall is off.

[upnorth]

How about some topology here? I really can't tell from your description what is what. If you can map out what device is located in the chain from the wire outside for the internet to your PS3.

[LwnmwnMan2]

speedstream 5200 > belkin N1+ model FSD8235-4 v2000 now wired direct to the ps3

I pulled the router out from the group once, wired the PS3 direct to the Speedstream 5200 and still received UPnP unavailable and Nat 3.

I went back into the Speedstream and checked UPnP and it had reverted back to disable.

I've tried to change it 3 times, and it won't change to enable.

I've got to head to St. Paul in about an hour to plow an apartment building now that they've cleard the lot today, and after that I think I'm going to get on the phone with Frontier.

I've actually got a couple of hours this afternoon with no kids wanting to play and no snow to plow.

The last question that I have. Can I get any DSL modem and replace the Speedstream 5200? I don't have to use the 5200 that Frontier sent me, corret?

[spearchucker]

I think the Speedstream 5200 is actually a router. That may be your problem. My mom had one of these and if I remember right there is configuration options within the speedstream to put the unit in bridge mode or router mode. In your case you would want bridge mode. You could check this by looking at the WAN IP address that your Belkin is getting from the Speedstream modem. It should not be a 10.x.x.x or 192.x.x.x if it is in bridge mode. If the Speedstream is really just a bridge modem then you should have no options for UPnP or DMZ because they wouldn't apply. Check out how the modem is configured and get back to us.

[pureinsanity]

Frontier blows, and their modems are usually routers as well. You can't change much. You really have to call them and tell them you are a gamer and need some settings for gaming.

I battled with this last winter as I house sat for a family friend and they had frontier dsl with a speedstream modem/wireless router combo. I spent a good hour or so trying to figure out hot to get my nat type to open. I did everything possible. you can even enable DMZ and it wouldn't work.

You have to call them and have them adjust settings or get you a different modem.

[upnorth]

Truthfully many are closer to routes than they are too modems.

I would get with your ISP to see how things are setup.

[LwnmwnMan2]

Just "chatted" with Frontier.

They took control of my computer, DMZ'd my router / modem combo (which for whatever reason wouldn't work when I tried to do it) and said "there you go".

They said I'll never have NAT 2 because I'm essentially running through a wired router into a wireless router.

Even if I hooked directly to the Speedstream 5200 they said it would still register as a NAT 3 but be a NAT 2 connection.

Anyways, basically I'm driving myself nuts because I'm trying to get a better connection for Black Ops, but from what Dtro posted in the Black Ops thread about a patch to be coming out, it sounds like everything I'm trying to eliminate, so all this work for naught I guess.

[pureinsanity]

Want a better connection get rid of DSL.

[spearchucker]

That is exactly what I thought was going on. You essentially have 2 layers of NAT going on. I was able to set my Mom's up in bridge mode so that the modem didn't act as a router. Did you ask if that was possible? The other option would be to set your wireless router up as a wireless access point connected to your modem/router.

[spearchucker]

Want a better connection get rid of DSL.

DSL in general isn't the problem, it is Frontier's version of DSL that is the problem. DSL has some advantages in that you get your own dedicated line back to the switch without sharing it with your neighbors. You would have the same problems with cable if you tried to use 2 NAT routers back to back.

[pureinsanity]

As a long time user of frontier and other dsl companies, and now comcast. I can assure you id much rather have cable than put up with DSL ever again.

But what do I know? I guess nothing.

[upnorth]

Yeah a link back to the switch is a good thing. But from there there will still be a single link back from a multi port switch and many more back the main demarc.

Don't really matter that much how you get back the the core, it's how many people you are sharing the up link with. It would make more of a difference if your PC was a direct link into the line as you would be dealing with more broadcast and collision issues. The routers knock that down quite a bit.

[spearchucker]

As a long time user of frontier and other dsl companies, and now comcast. I can assure you id much rather have cable than put up with DSL ever again.

But what do I know? I guess nothing.

No need to take it personal?

I guess I had Hickorytech DSL prior to having cable now and it was more reliable than my cable. I had 6Mb/s DSL service and it was rock solid. The company now offers 9Mb DSL. I was without internet for only a few hours over the course of about 7 years. DSL is pretty much guaranteed constant bandwidth that doesn't vary during peak times of the day unless the company had oversold their bandwidth and has an overloaded backbone.

I think it has more to do with the company running the service than anything. In this case Frontier is terrible, but many people have no other option. Frontier is in many smaller towns with old infrastructure wiring so the speeds are limited.