VERY INTERESTING SHOT OBSERVATION..whoa

[SledNeck]

Okay. So.

I go down south to duck hunt in 2 weeks like I do every year.

I decided to go out and check shot pattern on 3 different types of shells.

The competitors

all 3.5" #2 shot....at 30ish and 40ish yards

Winchester Blind Side

Kent

Black Cloud

The gun= Browning Gold Hunter 3.5 fullchoke stock invector

The winner?

amazingly

Black Cloud

at 40ish yards

In a 10" dia. circle black cloud had almost twice as much as winchester blind side. The Kent barely did better than the winchester.

at 30ish yards the Blackcloud had 10 more pellets in the circle as the winchester.

Now, the blindside kicker is supposed to be that the cubed pellets are supposed to allow for more shot in each shell right? then what gives????

also, I noticed that in the cardboard the blackcloud penetration holes look like the shot hit alot harder. The blindside had some very weird tumbles and some of the shot looks like it hit the target at an angle rather than straight from the gun..weird.

Ive always killed ducks better, or so I thought... with kents...but according to this test, blackcloud is the clear winner.

THOUGHTS????

[BoxMN]

I have tested myself and with brother and cousin quite a bit with Golds and a Silver.

I found that with the Golds and a Light Modified that #2 anything just didn't shoot well.

#3 are much better, and #4 is great. All at 35 yards, and Black Cloud is more uniform. The Hevishot is better yet, but still Hevishot #2 stinks...

I have been using BC#4 almost exclusively for a couple years, and even taking geese with it, but not on purpose. Kills ducks better too, and got to do a lot of "testing" in NoDak.

One interesting thing, we shot BBB at 35 yards, regualar cheapy steel, and holy cow does it penetrate better than any #2 or #3 or #4. Pattern was not as uniform, but holy cow what a difference for bone breaking ablility!

Have a great hunt!

[Scott M]

Interesting results. Would be interesting to see how Remington Hypersonic does in your gun.

I too have been a Kent guy, but shoot a little of everything including cheap Winny Super X and a little Black Cloud. Haven't compared Kent side by side, but have patterned it. Might have to give it a try side by side with oterhs. Always surprising how few people pattern shotguns, no matter what your game is.

[Tom7227]

It's great that you guys are patterning but I'm not sure about some of the claims.

Patterning a shotgun will tell you how well W load does at X distance from gun Y with choke Z. Change any of these and you change the density of the hits within the magic 30 inch circle.

You cannot tell anything about penetration on a patterning board. That is a function of the foot pounds of energy that exists at the distance in question (x) from load W, gun Y and choke Z. You can't measure the velocity at the target when you're patterning so I'm not sure you can ever know that the foot pounds are other than to find the info from the manufacturer and hope they're accurate.

Keep your testing up as the density of the pattern and the accuracy of your gun are all important. Don't forget to place a 'bullseye' on your patterning target and see how well the gun hits it as it should. Many shotguns are off by a whole lot more than folks would guess.

[Gordie]

Sledneck have you tried differnet chokes I know minee BGold 3 inch shoots the mod choke for BC better than the full at 40 yrds and it holds the cheaper winchester 2 3/4 rounds tighter as well.

just a thought

[SledNeck]

I won't shoot the hyper stuff anymore. Too hard on gun, plus we all know Remington is filthy dirty.

My buddy blew his gun up last year on hyper. Which I guess from reading different things isnt to uncommon.

[TrophyEyes]

The Remington Hypersonic did a number on the ducks and seemed to pattern very well. I do believe it would be extremely hard on the gun because I know it was extremely hard on my shoulder. It kicks like nothing I have ever shot before. Way harder that my turkey loads, 7mm and slugs. I had to put it down because I couldn't handle the recoil any more. I have one box left and I am reluctant to put it through my M1. I might just use it in the Nova to prevent a machanical failure.

[Powerstroke]

I agree with Tom, that those results are what happened in your gun with your choke etc.

Change any one of those variable, change the shot size etc, and you could have a different result.

Personally I shot the hypersonic #4's this year and no problems. Patterned well, although that wasn't fun. As far as in the field, I had no problems and I didn't notice the recoil in the field from my 870.

The good news is there are hundreds of gun, choke, ammo, shot combos. FInd the one that works for you and that your comfortable with.

[TrophyEyes]

I was shooting the 3 1/2" Hypersonics. The 3" didn't hurt nearly as bad.

[BoxMN]

It's great that you guys are patterning but I'm not sure about some of the claims.

You cannot tell anything about penetration on a patterning board.

Hey Tom FWIW, I am not claiming any statistical data, but our "board" was a 1/8" plywood board with paper over it, sitting against a round haybale. The BBB busted completely through the plywood, with shattered/splintered out the back, and the #2#3#4 did not go through the same piece of same plywood (penetrated a bit, but shot was stuck on "target side").

So, yep, the BBB did definitely have more umph at the same extact distance, same exact plywood, same exact guns, same exact choke We were amazed. As always, everybody's mileage may vary