check this out

[wormfood]

That organization has absolutely zero respect for a human life. There is no connection between their beliefs and that of reality.

[Tonka Boy]

I like animals just as much as the next guy, but these people are way out of line! Can't they ever think of anything constructive to do...maybe helping our fisheries or something along those lines? That is insulting to the human race...

They just don't get it!!!

[Guest]

People like this should be kicked and beaten.
If they would be smart enough they would realize animals and humans are not alike. If they would of listened in school, they would realize that you cannot live w/out meat(protein).
You guys are right, it is a insulting to the human race.
These people are just not loser's, they are far far worse than that. That's sad.

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[mistermom]

The good news is that in the CNN poll on this 88% see peta's tactics as outrageous and unfair compared to 12% see it as effective.

mm

[Guest]

PETA =PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS!!!
pass the meat please

[fubar]

Our grocers have to go oversees now to keep up with the consumption of fruit & vegetables in this country. Our farming system is in need of help as it is, having everyone become a vegetarian would collapse it for sure. Ask any farmer, which is more costly, raising veggies to sell? or any kind of meat?. I would not disagree with saving animals that are low in numbers and need the assistance of man for help, but come on, comparing chickens to the holocaust, just plain nuts.

[Surface Tension]

unbelievable

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[Slab]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02/28/peta.holocaust/index.html

peta at it again
what a bunch of loser's

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[ice banger]

here we go again peta thinks they can solve all the worlds problems by us all not eating meat...why dont they take a look at whats going on in other countrys with human rights violations...why are we targeted because we enjoy the fruits of gods labor im soooo sick of seeing this propagranda for theses extreem groups..we need too unite and stand up to these closed mined people...ice banger out

[upnorth]

I'll have the King Cut Prime Rib RARE please

We are all in the same food chain. Some animals are made for food. If you want to get technical on killing living things, plants are living things too, they are not inert.

Scott

[Guest]

So are they going to stop fish from feeding on other fish too??????

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[Guest]

These people are a waste of my time. Why does the media have to give them press time ! I am sure these are the same people that think SUV kill people also.... go figure!!

guess what I am having for dinner tonight??

T-BONE & Walleyes ummm

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FMWL

[setterguy]

If God didn't want us to eat animals...he wouldn't have made them out of meat!

[CRITTER]

If you don't give em any Press who would know. Get it.

[Guest]

So what does a peta person eat for a meal? If they dont eat meat-- well then I guess they are not killing any animals. But that only leaves them with plants or primary producers to consume. Oh my god, that means in order for a peta person to eat they have to kill a viable living organism AKA a plant. What a horrible thing to kill a living object. To solve the peta problem maybe the human race should stop eating because one way or another something has to die. ??

[CANOPY SAM]

We're all entitled to our own "opinions" in this country, but ultimately we will have to answer to God.

It's written very clearly in the scriptures of the Bible (which we are all supposed to live our lives according too) that while Paul was wandering the desert nearly starved to death God spoke to him and told him - Paul, go ahead and take the animals that you see around you and have them for your food. Paul responded to the Lord that he didn't want to upset him by killing the creatures that he placed on his earth. Then God told Paul, I have placed these animals on the earth for you to have dominion over. Use them to sustain yourself.

I'm not sure that we can really look at this scripture in the same context as it was intended a couple thousand years ago, but it seems quite clear that animals were put on the earth for us to consume and sustain ourselves so that we can continue to worship and spread the message that God has given us.

It isn't very pretty to look at (mass animal slaughter), but I honestly believe that it is God's will that we survive on this earth by using the resources he has given us. You know, they even used to slaughter lots and lots of animals at the foot of the temple. It's what God told people to do!

[Guest]

I went and checked this out...seems a little extreme to me, you guys decide for yourselves

"Decades from now, what will you tell your grandchildren when they ask you whose side you were on during the “animals’ holocaust”? Will you be able to say that you stood up against oppression, even when doing so was considered “radical” or “unpopular”? Will you be able to say that you could visualize a world without violence and realized that it began at breakfast?"

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[Northlander]

What are these people thinking comparing a apple to a orange. Scarey part is there are people that live for this c**p! Same ones that throw paint on your Mukluks and Red Fox Fishing hat.
Takes all types but this isnt cool. JUst my 1/2 cent!

[City_Slicker]

Meat is what help man evolve. The protein in meat help our brain grow. Also instead of picking berries all day we could just kill a animal and for the rest of the day we tinker with stuff make spears fire ect. So with out meat we would still be in the trees

[Steve Foss]

I once asked a PETA person, who was vegetarian, during an interview if he heard the screaming agonized voices of wheat being slaughtered every time he ate a slice of bread or a forkful of pasta.

He looked at me like I'd lost my mind. I commented that there's simply no way to know whether plants feel pain, and only his own arrogance kept him from accepting that possibility. I said that, in a world where plants and animals feel pain, how is it better to give pain to a plant than an animal? I ask this every time a vegetarian or animal "rights" shows their narrow-mindedness by lecturing people. I've never heard a decent answer.

This guy refused to confront the possiblity.

It was a lunch meeting. I took a bite of my veal, which I'd ordered just to [PoorWordUsage] him off, and smiled at him, the smug bast***.

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[Northlander]

Steve did you make sure to get seperate checks that time? He He!

[Steve Foss]

As a reporter, I always got separate checks. If the other person paid for the meal, it could look like I owed them something.

[Willowmaker]

Take their thumbs away.Thumbs and brains are the only things that make us the ultimate preditor,the top place in the food chain. They have lost the use of the brain and there is no need for them to have thumbs either.I guess all the farmers should let their livestock go to fend for themselves in the woods. How long would that last.Think about it Bessy in the woods to chew her cud and watch for wolves. Meat eaters rule in al ways.

[chunkytrout]

This should be in political forums but here it goes. I believe factory farming started big time after WWII. With that came some pretty disturbing ways of growing, feeding, and processing meat. I am not a vegetarian but I do believe the "creatures" "god" put on this earth to sustain us do deserve ethical treatment. I've been to a slaughter house (grew up in So. St. Paul) and I think if people knew what they were putting in their mouths and where it came from we might have a different situation RE: peta's and so on. As far as the tactic used by them here, just a bunch of non-thinking extremists spewing out more of their crappy agenda.

[Steve Foss]

Hey chunky:

That's a thoughtful response.

This could be an interesting discussion. I spent my summers growing up on my grandparents' Wisconsin dairy farm and spent lots of time in western ranch country riding and such, so I'm basically a farmer and ranch type at heart.

So, I ask this in all seriousness and am interested in your view: What do you consider ethical treatment of food animals? Do you have examples of what you consider ethical and what you consider unethical?

And if one of the pro staff feels this dialogue belongs in the political forum, where it seems to be heading, feel free to close the thread here and move it there. Although, considering how little posting is going on in this main ice fishing board now that the main seasons are over, maybe it should stay here.