Jump to content
  • RECEIVE THE GIFTS MEMBERS SHARE WITH YOU HERE...THEN...CREATE SOMETHING TO ENCHANT OTHERS THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE

    You know what we all love...

    When you enchant people, you fill them with delight and yourself in return. Have Fun!!!

Duffman

Vietnam War

Recommended Posts

As with most Ken Burns series, it's been very interesting and entertaining to watch. After seeing the same old footage for the last 40 years, the new stuff is facinating.  '66 kid here, it's amazing to me that this occurred during my lifetime. I hope some of folks put your aversion to PBS aside and enjoy  watching some history.

Maybe even learning a  thing or two about it.

*chuckle*

Edited by Duffman
Trent Reznor score for the win!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, this is great to watch for kids born around '66 still in diapers and missed it on TV! ;)

Edited by leech~~

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, leech~~ said:

Yes, this is great to watch for kids born around '66 still in diapers and missed it on TV! ;)

If you weren't a kid, why weren't you there in person? Why watch it on TV when you could have signed up for the real thing? ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Big Dave2 said:

If you weren't a kid, why weren't you there in person? Why watch it on TV when you could have signed up for the real thing? ;)

Dave, big diff between a baby (Duff) and young teen (leech) to young to fight but not to watch what's going on in the world at the time.  ;)

I know you just started you morning troll!  Good luck fishing! :/

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, leech~~ said:

Dave, big diff between a baby (Duff) and young teen (leech) to young to fight but not to watch what's going on in the world at the time.  ;)

Not that big of a difference, we were all kids.

17 minutes ago, leech~~ said:

I know you just started you morning troll!  Good luck fishing! :/

Are you mad that my trolling effort hooked one already and yours didn't? :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, Big Dave2 said:

Not that big of a difference, we were all kids.

Well, I sure as shoot wasn't born.  

And wasn't there a lot of reporting total bologna?  Inflating the numbers of enemy dead and talking about what a great success we were having over there.

The pbs documentary is pretty interesting.  But Ken burns can make anything interesting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Actually we weren't all kids..  I graduated High School in 64.    Did my time painting rocks, peeling potatoes, and writing code in California at Fort Ord and Hunter Liggett Military Reservation.   

So far, the show seems a little one sided.   But that could be just me.   It doesn't seem to talk much about the bad deeds of the VC and NVA.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
54 minutes ago, Big Dave2 said:

Not that big of a difference, we were all kids.

 

23 minutes ago, bobbymalone said:

Well, I sure as shoot wasn't born.  

 

18 minutes ago, delcecchi said:

Actually we weren't all kids.. 

When I said "we" I meant Leech, Duff and myself. You guys weren't in the conversation and I just got roasted for including someone in a convo that they didn't choose to be in. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Big Dave2 said:

When I said "we" I meant Leech, Duff and myself. You guys weren't in the conversation and I just got roasted for including someone in a convo that they didn't choose to be in. 

OK, whatever..  Maybe a qualifier if it is not the global "we"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, delcecchi said:

OK, whatever..  Maybe a qualifier if it is not the global "we"

LOL! Literally just a couple days ago you (Delcecchi) and Leech made the rule that someone shouldn't include you in a conversation that you aren't already engaged in and now you (Delcecchi) are butthurt that you (Delcecchi) weren't included in my statement in a thread you (Delcecchi) had yet to be engaged in.

You can't make this stuff up.

Edited by Big Dave2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, delcecchi said:

Maybe a qualifier if it is not the global "we"

Actually this reminds me of a time many years ago when I worked at the local grocery store. We had a sign in front of the ALL laundry detergent with a special sale price. A lady brought up a bottle of Tide detergent and expected it to be the sale price because the sign said ALL detergent. When I explained to her that it was the specific name brand ALL that was on sale and not the "global ALL" (as Del might put it) she got so embarrassed and angry that as she stormed out of the store she insisted it would have made a difference if we would have underlined the word ALL:D

ALL detergent.jpeg

Edited by Big Dave2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Big Dave2 said:

LOL! Literally just a couple days ago you (Delcecchi) and Leech made the rule that someone shouldn't include you in a conversation that you aren't already engaged in

No Rule was made Dave, just asked for some decency from others.  Forgot who we were asking though. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Big Dave2 said:

LOL! Literally just a couple days ago you (Delcecchi) and Leech made the rule that someone shouldn't include you in a conversation that you aren't already engaged in and now you (Delcecchi) are butthurt that you (Delcecchi) weren't included in my statement in a thread you (Delcecchi) had yet to be engaged in.

You can't make this stuff up.

Nah, not but hurt at all.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From what i can recall from my school days the teachin lady never really covered the Vietnam war as well as the Korean war in class. Maybe our textbooks were too old but did many of you have much learnin on these wars.  They covered the civil war and world wars but almost skipped over these.  I assume it was because we pretty much got our posteriors handed to us and that doesn't sit well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, Blackhawkxp said:

From what i can recall from my school days the teachin lady never really covered the Vietnam war as well as the Korean war in class. Maybe our textbooks were too old but did many of you have much learnin on these wars.  They covered the civil war and world wars but almost skipped over these.  I assume it was because we pretty much got our posteriors handed to us and that doesn't sit well.

Nah, about the time the libbers started taking over education and just ignored anything not on their brainwashing agenda!  ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I had a Great Wars class in HS, teacher spent most of the semester drawing castle defenses on the blackboards that wrapped around three quarters of the classroom.....moats, arrowslits, murder holes, talus, and trou de loup's. 

WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam were covered in the last week of class.  *chuckle*  :)

We even watched Monty Python and The Holy Grail.

"Spank me"

;)

Edited by Duffman

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, Duffman said:

I had a Great Wars class in HS, teacher spent most of the semester drawing castle defenses on the blackboards that wrapped around three quarters of the classroom.....moats, arrowslits, murder holes, talus, and trou de loup's. 

WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam were covered in the last week of class.  *chuckle*  :)

We even watched Monty Python and The Holy Grail.

"Spank me"

;)

Blackhawkxp Example! :lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Blackhawkxp said:

From what i can recall from my school days the teachin lady never really covered the Vietnam war as well as the Korean war in class. Maybe our textbooks were too old but did many of you have much learnin on these wars.  They covered the civil war and world wars but almost skipped over these.  I assume it was because we pretty much got our posteriors handed to us and that doesn't sit well.

I would say that it is pretty typical that Social Studies and History classes in High School are often a decade or two behind.   It takes time for the teacher colleges and textbooks and curricula to get updated and approved and incorporated.    Also giving things a good while to cool down is safer as well.  I don't recall my kids getting taught about Vietnam, and that was a decade or so after it was over.  

I wonder if kids in high school today are getting taught anything about 9/11 and Kuwait and Iraq and war on terror and all that?   And if so, what they are being taught? 

Edited by delcecchi

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To this day, even though i had grand parents fight in it, i pretty much have no idea what the Korean war was really about.  All i know is that it was to stop communism from spreading.  

I have the utmost respect for the people that fought for this country and from what i have seen of the Vietnam series I cannot imagine what that hell must have been like for both sides.  I believe a big part of the decay of patriotism in the US lately is due to the fact that a majority of Americans in my age group, including myself (born in '78), have not served in the military .  In the 50's and 60's young men were drafted into the war just like their fathers, uncles, and grandfathers were before them.  I am pretty sure if we would have a  law that made it mandatory to serve at least a year or two in the armed forces the viewpoints would be a lot different concerning the recent protests.  

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The viewpoints would be a lot "different" but that doesn't necessarily mean it would be "better."  The military must think a volunteer force is better than mandatory enlistment, or it would probably go back to its old way of doing things.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

After Vietnam, no way would a "peacetime" draft be politically acceptably.  

Korean war started when N. Korea invaded the south.   We, the UN, helped the south after that.   When it looked like the north was about to lose, China sent a few hundred k troops to help out the north.  So we called it all good, have a cease fire (not a truce or whatever) with the DMZ across the middle of the peninsula.   Whacko commie atheist leader still in charge of the north.   Now he has the bomb and soon to have missiles to carry it.  

What will he do?   Continue to starve his people?   Or will the Chinese arrange a regime change? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Or did it start when South Korean Dictator Syngman Rhee boasted that he was going to invade North Korea? Rhee was a pretty nasty fellow himself. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Boasting is not invading.   Typical, never blame the Communists eh Roony? 

Quote

The conflict escalated into open warfare when North Korean forces—supported by the Soviet Union and China—moved into the south on 25 June 1950.[41] On 27 June, the United Nations Security Council authorized the formation and dispatch of UN forces to Korea to repel what was recognized as a North Korean invasion.[42] Twenty-one countries of the United Nations eventually contributed to the UN force, with the United States providing 88% of the UN's military personnel.

Here is the UN Resolution..  BTW the invasion from the North was 10 divisions, 89,000 men.  

Quote

The Security Council,
Recalling the finding of the General Assembly in its resolution 293 (IV) of 21 October 1949 that the Government of the Republic of Korea is a lawfully established government having effective control and jurisdiction over that Part of Korea where the United Nations Temporary Commission on Korea was able to observe and consult and in which the great majority of the people of Korea reside; that this Government is based on elections which were a valid expression of the free will of the electorate of that part of Korea and which were observed by the Temporary Commission, and that this is the only such Government in Korea,

Mindful of the concern expressed by the General Assembly in its resolutions 195 (III) of 12 December 1948 and 293 (IV) of 21 October 1949 about the consequences which might follow unless Member States refrained from acts derogatory to the results sought to be achieved by the United Nations in bringing about the complete independence and unity of Korea; and the concern expressed that the situation described by the United Nations Commission on Korea in its report menaces the safety and well-being of the Republic of Korea and of the people of Korea and might lead to open military conflict there,

Noting with grave concern the armed attack on the Republic of Korea by forces from North Korea,

Determines that this action constitutes a breach of the peace; and

I
Calls for the immediate cessation of hostilities;

Calls upon the authorities in North Korea to withdraw forthwith their armed forces to the 38th parallel;

II
Requests the United Nations Commission on Korea:

(a) To communicate its fully considered recommendations on the situation with the least possible delay;

(b) To observe the withdrawal of North Korean forces to the 38th parallel;

(c) To keep the Security Council informed on the execution of this resolution:

III
Calls upon all Member States to render every assistance to the United Nations in the execution of this resolution and. to refrain from giving assistance to the North Korean authorities.

−text of UN Security Council Resolution 82[16]

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Your Responses - Share & Have Fun :)

    • A group of us are planning on getting together on Lake Osakis for the day on 8/18/18 for a day of fishing and a midday picnic at the Battle Point Park.  We would enjoy connecting with some fellow anglers from the site to connect and have some fun.  Osakis is a great lake for big gills, slab crappies, nice walleye, pike, smallmouth and largemouth bass.  The best walleye bite has been during low light periods.  Sunfish and crappie bite all day.  We plan on taking a break around noon at the Battle Point Park for lunch.  Right now tentatively looking to connect around 8-9 at the access.  Otherwise look for a red and white Warrior and connect with me, "Borch" on the water I'd you'd like.   I might even have a fishing report really fresh fishing report for you. 
    • It was slow for us this year, steelhead on Sunday afternoon, and only a couple nice kings on Monday. But the potential for a big fish is there again this year.   My friend is a little on the small side, always makes nice fish look HUGE.   My early morning fish came in at 23.6 lbs. A pound and a half heavier than the top pic.      
    • Nice work, that looks incredible. And I'm a big fan of the grey motif.   Thanks for the show and write up.
    • Yeah we brought it up to our cabin and sleep in it if there are a bunch of people up there. Thanks!
    • Are you guys using it as a summer camper as well?  Super Product right there!  😎
    • Thanks! It weighed in over what I thought which was disappointing. It was right around 7000 lbs with full propane tanks and some other stuff in it. We actually weighed it just after getting spray foamed and it was already at like 5000 lbs I’m not sure how others that did the same style steel stud house have a finished weight around 5500 lbs.    The cost in materials was above 20K but below 25 still too scared to finish adding the receipts. We really tried to use the best materials we could find and not cut any corners. When I was pricing stuff out before we started my ballpark was 19K but I forgot to add a tv screws wire and little stuff like that.    Yeah it took a lot of time but I enjoyed it for the most part. I’m actually getting kind of bored now and don’t know what to do with all the free time. 
    • Thanks for taking the time to do a write up and post all the pics! That alone is a big undertaking in itself. Nice work.   any idea what finished weight is for the entire house?    And just a ballpark figure are you willing to share what it costs in material to build something like this?   I can’t imagine how many hours of your own labor you got into this build. I think it turned out amazing.
    • Alright here’s the finished product. I think it turned out pretty nice. Still need a stove/ range but working on it.    Underneath the lift bed there are 7 lights and two speakers. There are 4 lights above the lift bed. The 3 middle lights underneath are on one button the outer 4 are on a different button and above are on a separate button.  55” smart tv recessed into to wall. The speakers really kick out some sound in this thing though. The tv sound comes out of the 5 speakers in the house which are all ran through the stereo and an amp.      Hole lights  Single light above the stove area  This door is for the satellite receiver. The black center piece is tinted acrylic so you can still use the remote with the door shut. The hole just below the tv is also so you can use the tv remote.  Battery monitor  Supply and return water temperatures for the in floor heat. I was actually really surprised I got my 20 degree delta t I calculated for.  Lights above lift bed. Lift bed in lowest position. Could go lower but that’s just where we put the lowest at.  Different height if people are sleeping below.  Folding table.  These are the cabinets inside the bathroom wall. These are only about 9” deep but I think they will be deep enough for a little more storage. The converter is in here as well it is just above the wiring panel. And the large center square is a false front so you can access the tv wires. I think we are going to go with the dry flush toilet. I put a little 12 v outlet in there so it can br ran off the house batteries.     The only other thing I did that i don’t know if others have done is I wired the rear porch light to the reverse wire of the trailer plug. So when you put the truck in revers that porch light comes on and lights everything up.    I think that’s everything. Feel free to ask any questions if you have any. And thanks again to lipripper and others for posting their builds the information was a ton of help and sorry if I copied too much of your design. 
    • Next we made the back benches that our couches sit on. These things are very comfortable. The couches are the same ones they use in the firebrand fish houses. Matt from fish n style ordered them for us.     Both fold out to be beds. We also bought a 4” thick piece of foam that can go over the whole thing to make one bed when it’s used for camping.  Under each couch we made drawers. I figured it would be a pain to have to lay on the ground and open some doors to get something. They actually can hold a ton of stuff.  Both rear couches have the drawers.      Next we started working on our cabinets above the wheel wells. The two inside openings have doors and the outer two are soft close drawers.      We then made some countertops. They were actually really easy to make.    For our our upper bunk in the back we wanted it to be a lift bed. We did similar to what lip ripper did without the strut trolly things. We used some plastic that just keeps the bed within the strut. For our unistrut we found some super light aluminum strut that worked great. We are going to make a black cover to go over the foam.   inside the bed looks like this.      We have two motors inside the bed. One motor runs one side and the other runs the other. So basically the motor is in the middle and two cables come off of the wheel going opposite directions. Each cable goes around a pulley so now they are both heading for the wall. Once they get to the edge of the bed there is another pulley that directs the cable up towards the ceiling. On top of the strut we have a bolt that the cable is connected to. Each side does this. And the motors are wired together and are ran by a switch. We have holes drilled at different heights on the strut for pins to go through and the bed then rests on the pins. The motors were kind of pulling the bed up at different speeds so we contacted the motor company and they said thar getting two motors to go exactly the same speed without spending a ton of money is very hard to do. So we are going to try and either find one motor to somehow control all four sides or somehow connect the two motors with a shaft. But it does go up and down just one side ends up being about an inch higher once you get to the top.    Next up finished pictures.             
    • The house is done I’m just slowly putting pictures up and describing it.    Next thing we did was have it spray foamed. Which was a nightmare we went with the cheaper guy which was a mistake. I would not recommend American Spray foam which is who we used. After it was spray foamed we started the in floor heat similar to liprippers 2017 build. We put down 2 layers of 3/4” 250 pink foam board. In the top layer we used a router to make a groove where we wanted our pex to go worked out pretty slick. Next we put down as many heat transfer plates as we could. We used these little pex clips that got screwed into the plywood to hold the pex down around bends and a few straight places. Next we Pushed the pex into the heat transfer plates and the clips. We did ours with one zone that was around 120’ of pex.  I took a bunch of pictures of where all the pex ran with the tape measure showing how far away each line was from walls and stuff so We didn’t screw into it accidentally      We then put a layer of aluminum over all the pex.      We then stained all our pine tongue and groove. We used Jacobean then went over it with grey for a little different look. I think it turned out pretty good. For the trim pieces and cabinets we used special walnut. After the pine was stained we started nailing it to the furring strips.  For the window casings we used cedar in case there was any condensation. For the window trim we used pine. Once we got to this point I was a little nervous thinking our stain looked like something you’d see in your grandparents house but we kept going.  All these wires are for the lights and speakers we put in the lift bed.  We kind of installed lights and other things as we went.  Soms of the tongue and groove pine looked really cool and unique when we were staining and we set those aside and used them on the front wall. We thought about doing some fake stone looking stuff  but we were feeling the time crunch.  Next we started making some upper cabinets and finishing the window casings and trim. We’ve never done any of this so we were just kind of learning as we went.      Once we got the upper cabinets made we screwed them in place.    next we put up the backer for the tv. We used 3/4” pine I think they were 10” wide. Wasn’t exactly sure which tv we were getting and they all vary a bit in size so we stained it in case you could see behind it. Oh I forgot we also put the rubber coin floor down. We purchased it from garage floor LLC. The first roll they sent took like a month to get and it was the wrong floor but after I told them I needed the right floor right away they had the new roll on the doorstep the next day which was surprising. The floor got screwed down under cabinets and where the hole covers went. But by the time we got to the floor it was cold already and new we would have to figure something out in the summer when it got hot and expanded. So this summer when it was good and hot we pulled the edges of the floor tight and used some left over VHB tape which actually worked to keep it tight.  After the floor was done we started piping the in floor heat. We accidentally broke the  insulation around the water heater which is why it’s taped. We put some unions off of the pump in case it fails. We use the furnace to get the house up to temp while the floor is heating up but once everything is up and running the furnace never kicks on. I was trying to figure out how I wanted to control the system and was trying to ask lipripper questions but he has a patent on his so he couldn’t really answer.  What I ended up doing was running 5v from the arduino board to the thermostat. I then ran a wire from the thermostat to my relay board. The relay board I am using  closes the circuit when it gets 5 volts. So when the thermostat calls for heat 5 volts is allowed to pass through the thermostat back to the relay board closing the circuit that I have wired to the hydronic pump. You could use any relay for this just have to pick the voltages that you have available in your fish house. So I’m not really sure how lipripper did his but that is how I did mine and it works.  The whole in floor heat system fits under the front couch. I call this the mechanical room since all the moving parts are under this couch. We have the hydronic system, the hydraulic pump to raise and lower the fish house and our batteries. Only have the one battery in this picture but we have one battery for our hydraulics and two 6v gold cart batteries wires in series for everything else. The two 6v batteries are charged by the converter and the single battery is charged by a one bank minnkota  on board charger.     
×