Getanet Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Maybe I'm misunderstanding the point of the question, but I would say false. Michael Sam was one of the biggest sports topics over the past six months or so and video of him knocking someone out in an elevator would have been big news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMusky Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 True or False:If it were Michael Sam instead of Ray Rice, that video would have never seen the light of day. the hypocrisy in this question makes me laugh since you chastised me for posing a similar scenario involving NASCAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Guy Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 True or False:If it were Michael Sam instead of Ray Rice, that video would have never seen the light of day. Probably false. Why do you ask this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishersofmen Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I would agree with false since the source of the video going public was TMZ and they will do anything for exposure and profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave2 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I can see where LMIT is going with that. Do you still say false if it is his boyfriend that he slugs?My main question would be: why is everyone else so outraged about this when the person who got punched is not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Guy Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 My main question would be: why is everyone else so outraged about this when the person who got punched is not? I don't think we know how the woman really feels. How can someone not be outraged at what happened on that video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMITOUT Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 If it were Michael Sam he would have been hitting another man so would it just be considered a fight? No, I am asking if Sam was in the place of Rice and a female (regardless of their relationship) is still the person getting struck in the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJill Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Forget about his occupation, forget about the sexes involved, forget about sexual orientations.How is it possible to do that and not face a trial on criminal charges ?I really couldn't care less about the NFL side of the story.To me, the fact that the perpetrator didn't face a trial is incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave2 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I don't think we know how the woman really feels. How can someone not be outraged at what happened on that video? Read the article I posted earlier, she tells you exactly how she feels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMusky Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I cannot believe that ANYONE would attempt to trivialize what was done in this video regardless of WHO or what sexual orientation of the perpetrator was. Seriously? The victim doesn't have a "problem" with it so that makes it OK? Now I've heard it all! No excuse PERIOD. Ever think that she may not have a problem with it because the nut less Goodell had her in room WITH ray when asked about the situation? Seriously? As an attorney he should know better than that. Ray Rice loses his career over this she stands to lose her money maker. I bet this marriage ends in months now. He promised her the world to keep her mouth shut. Now he won't be able to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Guy Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Read the article I posted earlier, she tells you exactly how she feels. What she says is not necessarily how she REALLY feels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave2 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 What she says is not necessarily how she REALLY feels. If I can't believe her on the subject of her own feelings then I'm not sure who I can believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave2 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Forget about his occupation, forget about the sexes involved, forget about sexual orientations.How is it possible to do that and not face a trial on criminal charges ?I really couldn't care less about the NFL side of the story.To me, the fact that the perpetrator didn't face a trial is incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Guy Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 If I can't believe her on the subject of her own feelings then I'm not sure who I can believe. Abused women do not always express how they really feel, and she definitely is an abused woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJill Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Quote:"I was stunned," said Donna D'Andrea, a legal advocate for The Women's Center, a domestic violence and sexual abuse help center in Linwood, NJ....in her nearly 30 years of experience, she cannot recall a single other aggravated assault case being resolved by pre-trial intervention.According to New Jersey's pretrial intervention web-site, PTI is a used in criminal cases that don't involve violence ... The "get counseling" deal he recieved didn't even require he plead guilty to a lesser charge !!. OUTRAGOUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepman Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Testosterone....EGO.....Somehow, guys just can't let it go...More than likely, a guy made an "advance" on his gal that night or someone said something to her that he heard. Could have been the other way around too....doesn't matter.The fight started well before the elevator...I bet they're both kicking themselves today for what was probably an EGO related "non-event".Stupid..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleFloyd Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Knocking a woman out with a punch is never a non event . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave2 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Abused women do not always express how they really feel, and she definitely is an abused woman. Classically abused women are not usually the aggressor either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMusky Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Come on BigDave! There is no excuse PERIOD. It is said to be 14% of all physical violence toward women is reported by them. Most of us know the reasons you are just trying to drum up controversay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJill Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Your making my stomach turn Dave. First its "Apparantly she didn't mind it too much." Now you seem to be saying she was asking for it. Time to lock this thread up. Every civilized human being agrees the behavior is inexcusable. Why give a forum to neanderthals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 As I stated before, there is NEVER any reason why a man should EVER hit a women, no excuse at all.Totally agree Dr Jill, this kind of dump makes one sick. One is not a man if they a women.Any man who would defend what that this loser did, well, I am not going type what I think of him, word filter would kick it out but I am sure the huge majority here knows what I would like to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontanaMax Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The sad fact is, probably at least 5 people (women and men) were beaten as bad or worse last weekend by their partners in every one of your counties. It would seem you can help these people better by putting less time and energy into a fool's debate here, and seeing what you can do to help with organizations which deal with domestic violence locally. Simple outrage, whether expressed by the media or posters here, really does nothing, including "raising awareness". And I think I get Dave's point: any woman or man who stays with their abuser after the first punch is now part of the problem. There never seems to be an end to the pool of people willing to take an abuser's abuse. Putting an abuser behind bars is only half the solution. Getting the victims to stop being there when the abusers get out is the other half. Now how to fix that half of the problem is worth talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slabasaurus Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 No, I am asking if Sam was in the place of Rice and a female (regardless of their relationship) is still the person getting struck in the head. Yes, I believe that this would be all over the front page of everything if this happened. Do you not think it'd be all over the place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave2 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Now you seem to be saying she was asking for it. Please quote the post where I said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave2 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 And I think I get Dave's point: any woman or man who stays with their abuser after the first punch is now part of the problem. There never seems to be an end to the pool of people willing to take an abuser's abuse. Putting an abuser behind bars is only half the solution. Getting the victims to stop being there when the abusers get out is the other half. Now how to fix that half of the problem is worth talking about. Very well said. It is such a knee jerk reaction to put 100% of the blame on the man in these instances. I absolutely agree that there is never any excuse for a man to hit a woman. That was what I was taught and it is what I teach my son. The part I don't get here is all the phony outrage. If the person who was struck seems to not have any outrage then why should I? The fact is we do not know what kind of a relationship they have no matter how much we speculate. I have seen people my whole life who live in volatile relationships and they seem perfectly happy to do so. I get that a lot of battered women don't come forward because of fear of reprisal from the spouse but I really don't see that being the case here. In most of those cases, out of self-preservation, the wife learns to be absolutely submissive to the batterer in order to avoid more beatings. In this case it appeared to me she may have even been the aggressor. That just doesn't jive with most cases of battered wives.I'm not saying he shouldn't get what's coming to him, I'm just saying that I'm not going to join the media blinded masses in expressing fake outrage like everyone else here. If she wants to stay in an abusive relationship, who am I to judge what they do and how they do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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