Why keep baiting illegal for deer? Read this article!

[Musky Buck]

Can you imagine what a 50 bag of shell corn would go for before harvest season like mid-september, the have's will have and the have nots will get priced right out of baiting. How many million bushels will need to be saved from harvest time through to early september. We talk about what a mess deer hunting is or was or has been or whatever, so lets make it a full fledged mess. I guarantee with 25 days of pile watching at whatever range I desire, I could pound them deep in the swamp, find tags and keep thinning them out right along with the rest of us, but how thin do we really want them to be. All I'm truly saying in any of my rambling messes, put the deer 1st always, us 2nd. They need a little tlc, they're not the taliban.

[Basseyes]

I will cease my arguement on this issue as soon as recreational deer feeding is ended in Minnesota. Until then it shows me that there is no serious effort to curb the spread of any disease in the Whitetail herd.

I would assume, you have more of a problem with recreational feeding being legal, than baiting be illegal? So is it really a personal freedom issue? Or is it simply you just don't like recreational feeding? Why should recreational feeding be banned if there are no facts to back it up? And yes I understand the hypocrisy of wanting baiting to remain banned. The DNR is standing on a slippery slope.

APR's and party hunting are hot button issues right now. I am hesitant about the future of hunting. It seems there is more tearing hunters apart as a group, than us coming together, for the greater good of the sport as a whole. The individualist, purist mentality will be the end of the sport, long before the anti's. I look at APR's, banning party hunting and legalizing baiting, as areas we should precede with a tremendous amount of caution. I am not for or against all or the above. Some might have a place here or there. The struggle for the DNR, is to balance it all ,without making the regulations anymore confusing than they already are. The lack of simplicity in the regulations, in the long run, might be more of a hindrance, to not only retaining hunter numbers but also increasing them.The average age of hunters continues to climb, leading to a not so pleasant end.

For the most part, the civility by the members of this sight, was very refreshing. Even the moderators seemed to understand when to let it go and when to stop it. On a subject with very different views and a wide gap of opinions. Not discussing them is IMO worse than letting people come to some sort of understanding of the other sides point of view.

[Big Dave2]

I would assume, you have more of a problem with recreational feeding being legal, than baiting be illegal? So is it really a personal freedom issue? Or is it simply you just don't like recreational feeding? Why should recreational feeding be banned if there are no facts to back it up? And yes I understand the hypocrisy of wanting baiting to remain banned. The DNR is standing on a slippery slope.

I thought this issue was a dead horse but yet more than 24 hours after my last post there are 9 more posts with about half of them directed at me. I want to let this die, really I do!

You are assuming incorrectly because I don't want to make ANYTHING illegal and I have no problem with recreational feeding. I would do it myself if I lived in an area where there were deer to feed. I just find it ironic that most will cite disease prevention as the reason that baiting should be illegal but yet there is no movement to do away with recrestional feeding. It shows me that there is not quite the concern for disease prevention in the herd as some here believe. If it were really a problem there would be more people trying to end feeding. I know this is hard to understand but I DON"T THINK THAT RECREATIONAL FEEDING SHOULD BE BANNED JUST LIKE I DON'T THINK THAT BAITING SHOULD BE BANNED.

APR's and party hunting are hot button issues right now. I am hesitant about the future of hunting. It seems there is more tearing hunters apart as a group, than us coming together, for the greater good of the sport as a whole. The individualist, purist mentality will be the end of the sport, long before the anti's. I look at APR's, banning party hunting and legalizing baiting, as areas we should precede with a tremendous amount of caution. I am not for or against all or the above. Some might have a place here or there. The struggle for the DNR, is to balance it all ,without making the regulations anymore confusing than they already are. The lack of simplicity in the regulations, in the long run, might be more of a hindrance, to not only retaining hunter numbers but also increasing them.The average age of hunters continues to climb, leading to a not so pleasant end.

For the most part, the civility by the members of this sight, was very refreshing. Even the moderators seemed to understand when to let it go and when to stop it. On a subject with very different views and a wide gap of opinions. Not discussing them is IMO worse than letting people come to some sort of understanding of the other sides point of view.

I completely agree with the statements above with the exception of the part I crossed out. But if it makes you feel better you can rest assured that there is NO movement to legalize baiting that I am aware of beyond me bantering on an outdoor HSOforum.

[Gordie]

I want to let this die, really I do!

[hockeybc69]

RIP

Thank goodness!!!!!

[griff321]

I've never been a fan of hunting on groceries. It feels like shooting a cow at the trough. Maybe if I had fun shooting a pile of deer, but it's no longer hunting in my view.

I'm not judging anyone, but it certainly effects me when I scout an area and learn movement habits to a T and some joker comes along and messes everything up right before opener with a few piles. That said numerous thing have the same effect. Crop harvests and bow pressure have been the big ones for me and there isn't a thing I can do about that. Bottom line that makes up my mind regardless of opinions on all the intangibles and unknowns(those are actually reasons enough for me), I want to see the sport around forever and a big part of that is the non-hunters negative mental image of some yocal sitting on a pile of groceries.

[john skarie]

Personally I think baiting should be legal on private property, but not on public land.

Put what you want, where you want on your own place. That should be your right.

But nobody needs to be putting assorted piles of deer bait on places that are public. If you can't take it out with you at the end of the day then there is no place for it on public hunting land.

JS

[mrklean]

I've never been a fan of hunting on groceries. It feels like shooting a cow at the trough. Maybe if I had fun shooting a pile of deer, but it's no longer hunting in my view.

I'm not judging anyone, but it certainly effects me when I scout an area and learn movement habits to a T and some joker comes along and messes everything up right before opener with a few piles. That said numerous thing have the same effect. Crop harvests and bow pressure have been the big ones for me and there isn't a thing I can do about that. Bottom line that makes up my mind regardless of opinions on all the intangibles and unknowns(those are actually reasons enough for me), I want to see the sport around forever and a big part of that is the non-hunters negative mental image of some yocal sitting on a pile of groceries.

Personally i could care less if they make it legal or not. In kansas it is legal to bait deer and turkeys, since that is where i have turkey hunted the past few years yes i have hunted over bait. Is it like shooting cows at a trough i would say yes and no. My first year there the turkeys came no where near feeders and the turkey i shot was the furtherest place away from them on the property, my buddy on the other hand they came to the feeders near him. Lets fast forward to deer (i dont hunt deer there but we have had these talks when down there about the deer and feeders) he has shot more then 20 P&Y deer down there 0 near or within 150 yards of the feeders, why mature deer are smarter then that. His wife shot shot a 191" buck there last year and from i believe mid Sept on not one pic came of the deer near the feeders during day light hours. Like i said i could care less about baiting, but the shooting fish in a barrel stuff its exactly correct.

[lichen fox]

Since we have beaten this horse to death once again...I have a proposal for a new question...

Back in 1990...

Why did they make baiting illegal?

There were no known disease threats in the deer herd in Mn...

No one was dumping truckloads of beets or corn on public lands...

(other than a couple of years earlier when the MN Deer Hunters was doing a mass winter feeding effort)

There were obviously way more deer because no-one was complaing about not seeing any because of someone else hoarding them all at a bait pile...

And the CO's had plenty to do without walking around a section of woods looking for a five gallon bucket of corn...

So, again why...in 1990...did they ban the use of bait for deer hunting?

[Musky Buck]

They were being proactive ? You don't need much of a degree to realize if you dump food in a pile animals tend to find it and eat it. They maybe didn't want our state to turn into a that's our style up here in MN ? They know that the words fair cahse mean less if you're luring deer into your choice of spot to slaughter them.

[lichen fox]

But...who are "they"??

The Proactive ones?

The ones that felt they needed to pass a law to protect us from ourselves because we didn't have a clue,(or degree), how the methods we used to harvest a game animal would totaly ruin what "should be" the definition of "ethical" or "fair"...

It is just simply...once again...of one group that wants to force everyone to do things the way they do it...because "they" are always right!!

Did you hear? Sugar is EVIL !!!

Trappers use conibears to catch dogs!

Some hunters shoot deer with less than four points on one antler!

OMG!! What is this world coming too? We must change it!!

Who are "they" these great protecters of mankind?

[Big Dave2]

They know that the words fair cahse mean less if you're luring deer into your choice of spot to slaughter them.

What does fair chase mean in the first place? If someone was chasing me I would think that fair chase would mean that I KNOW someone is chasing me. I really don't believe that the term fair chase is applicable to the harvesting of game for food. There is no fair chase of slaughter animals but I still enjoy eating a good T-bone or pork chop once in a while.

How do high powered rifles and scopes fit into fair chase? How about elevated stands, trail cameras, GPS, scents, decoys, camo, scent killers and calls?

[Musky Buck]

I'm glad you are in the way minority. Here's my view, dumping piles of food to hunt deer almost is an admission to totally not caring about the deer you claim to love to hunt, if you're heading up the stand to hunt near a gravity box spilling with corn or whatever, I have 0 respect for that method of hunting unless it's done in urban areas where what is the best safest option. You can deer hunt for more than 100 days nearly 1/3 of the entire year, go do it, the dnr added a minimum of 3 days to old zone 4, they added you can muzzy hunt after rifle season, they added you can shoot an extra half hour after sundown, they're allowing 10 year olds to gun hunt, early antlerless seasons when numbers are high, etc. Others want scopes on muzzy's and a big buck season and etc. We have wolves and cars dumping 80,000 of them a year, baiting is highly effective, from experience I know bow hunters that in a month were 20 for 20 over bait, prior to that they'd get 3-5 without it so the game hogs are surely in favor especially if you bow hunt, especially if you can find tags for your early success or forget tagging them altogether, got to save my main tag for rifle and especially if you can save your rifle hunting area for later and mop them up someplace else. If bait was as effective as a salt block we wouldn't need to discuss it. Simply put quit if you don't like it, I will quit for sure if baiting becomes legal, sell all my land, and go out of state for some new hunting experiences. Who are these people protectors of mankind well hopefully they are the ones with the common sense so many lack.

[Bear55]

They were being proactive ?

They knew the internet was coming and decided to nip it in the bud before we all started posting. Brilliant if you ask me.

[Bear55]

What does fair chase mean in the first place?

You don't want to know, a lot of it is based on opinion.

[Musky Buck]

lol bear, really I'm done chirping, this thread really should be Why make baiting legal for deer ? I'd nearly feel like we're inept, apparently we aren't shooting enough deer, apparently deer numbers are outrageously high and MN deer hunters can't get the job done. 20 for 20 remember that number the first time these upstanding citizens tried it, 20 tags 20 dead deer in a month, by the toughest of challenge, a bow, not that 4 of them were left untagged so they could hit their own hunting grounds for rifle which they did. 20 for 20. That section of farmland has never recovered, funny how that slaughter coincided with the end of the wintering herd in that swamp. Now these clowns are bow hunting other properties in the area as that 1 has been toast since then. They get permission because they have clout in our community. Then again I need legal baiting to get my company going so I'm against, but with money to gain I'm for. Deer, I'm on your side.

[Big Dave2]

a lot of it is based on opinion.

Exactly!

[Big Dave2]

Deer, I'm on your side.

[Basseyes]

I will cease my arguement on this issue as soon as recreational deer feeding is ended in Minnesota.

[Big Dave2]

This is fun.

You obviously don't get it.

[Gordie]

Quote:

I thought this issue was a dead horse but yet more than 24 hours after my last post there are 9 more posts with about half of them directed at me. I want to let this die, really I do!

Who doesn't get it

[hockeybc69]

You obviously don't get it.

another assumption....

[john skarie]

I've never understood why some hunters think that other hunters need to have the same reasons for hunting, or same satisfaction out of it.

What I mean is you'll hear how it isn't "fair chase" to hunt a certain way. Or that someone doesn't respect the deer if they hunt a certain way. Or hunting this way or that way is to easy, and those aren't real hunters. etc. etc.

Hunting and what you get out of it is personal, and the only person that needs to care about your success or how you succeeded is you.

I think it's a jealously thing. Someone who isn't putting the time in, or hunting the "hard" way gets a big buck and that has to be diminished by someone else that thinks hunting needs to be seen in the same light as they do by everyone.

Lots of guys are just happy to be on the woods, spend time with friends and maybe kill a deer. They don't have or need a rigid concept of hunting.

Judging others because they don't hunt like you do or feel the same way about hunting as you do is kind of silly isn't it?

We don't all do things for the same reason, or all put hunting up on this big sanctamonious mountain top to make ourselves out to be better than other hunters.

Deer are food. If you want to make them out to be a personal challenge than that's great. Feel proud about your success and let others do the same.

JS

[Big Dave2]

I've never understood why some hunters think that other hunters need to have the same reasons for hunting, or same satisfaction out of it.

What I mean is you'll hear how it isn't "fair chase" to hunt a certain way. Or that someone doesn't respect the deer if they hunt a certain way. Or hunting this way or that way is to easy, and those aren't real hunters. etc. etc.

Hunting and what you get out of it is personal, and the only person that needs to care about your success or how you succeeded is you.

I think it's a jealously thing. Someone who isn't putting the time in, or hunting the "hard" way gets a big buck and that has to be diminished by someone else that thinks hunting needs to be seen in the same light as they do by everyone.

Lots of guys are just happy to be on the woods, spend time with friends and maybe kill a deer. They don't have or need a rigid concept of hunting.

Judging others because they don't hunt like you do or feel the same way about hunting as you do is kind of silly isn't it?

We don't all do things for the same reason, or all put hunting up on this big sanctamonious mountain top to make ourselves out to be better than other hunters.

Deer are food. If you want to make them out to be a personal challenge than that's great. Feel proud about your success and let others do the same.

JS

That is the best post regarding this subject I have ever read.

[Big Dave2]

I thought this issue was a dead horse but yet more than 24 hours after my last post there are 9 more posts with about half of them directed at me. I want to let this die, really I do!

Who doesn't get it

You keep directing posts at me personally but I should just go away?