PropsterII Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 "If it isn't fully "taped" they can't use the name Gore-Tex. It is a trade marked name. They are kind of sticklers on that point. Other wise it is breathable rain gear."This is not accurate. Many other brands tape their seams. And Gore Tex as a brand offers membrane fabrics that aren't taped, such as Windstopper, but of course are not then 100% waterproof. There are a few different myths and misconceptions floating around here. Gore-Tex is PTFE, poly tetra flour... blah blah blah - basically a teflon membrane. It is licensed to several companies who then make rainwear from it. A very close competetive membrane would the Sympatex material, which is actually more popular in Europe than Gore-Tex, and is what Cabelas uses in most of their high end Guide wear. And any rainwear that is so-called breathable, means that the membrane has holes in it that are smaller than a water droplet yet larger than a moisture vapor molecule - hence the breathable part. The problem is that it cannot withstand pressure, i.e. if you get rained on it will generally keep you dry. However if you sit on water, such as your boat seat, you can force the water through the membrane. Or if you have boots with a Gore-Tex liner or bootie, walking through water will generally not allow water in, but stand in it for any length of time and it will likely seep in. Most of the Helly Hansen stuff is PVC, not a membrane, but also not breathable. Great when you absolutely need to keep the water off you, but you'll sweat. So you have membrane stuff which can be very good at keeping you dry, and is somewhat breathable, vs a pvc type that is not breathable but will be almost guaranteed to keep you dry unless you get tears in it. Much like a Gore-Tex boot vs an all rubber boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITY LIMITS Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I just bought some bass pro shops rain gear Ive yet to use them but they seem legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delcecchi Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Sympatex is a completely different material than goretex and has no holes, according to wikipedia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicrunch Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Frogg Toggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Down Deep Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 To answer your question about a rain suit that will hold up and keep you dry for years to come. My GuideWare is in its 16th year. That's 16 years of enduring dozens of cold wet downpours in Northern MN, BWCA, Canada, and Alaska. It has also been to football games, ice fishing trips, rain soaked ocean fishing trips, and on many vacations around the US. It has served as a wind suit and most recently kept me dry as a bone for 3 hours while helping a neighbor dig trenches to keep his house from flooding during Duluth's 10 inches of rain back in June. I paid about $350 new, and the way I figure that's about $25 a year. Now that is a value in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluelessfisherman Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Guidewear - I've spent too much over the years on cheap stuff that wore out or didn't work that I could have paid for my guidewear set several times over that I finally broke down and got this year. Roll the bones and don't look back - you won't be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delcecchi Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Buy a good one and cry once. Buy the cheap one and cry every time you use it. saying from rec.woodworking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoffer Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 "If it isn't fully "taped" they can't use the name Gore-Tex. It is a trade marked name. They are kind of sticklers on that point. Other wise it is breathable rain gear."This is not accurate. Many other brands tape their seams. And Gore Tex as a brand offers membrane fabrics that aren't taped, such as Windstopper, but of course are not then 100% waterproof. There are a few different myths and misconceptions floating around here. Gore-Tex is PTFE, poly tetra flour... blah blah blah - basically a teflon membrane. It is licensed to several companies who then make rainwear from it. A very close competetive membrane would the Sympatex material, which is actually more popular in Europe than Gore-Tex, and is what Cabelas uses in most of their high end Guide wear. And any rainwear that is so-called breathable, means that the membrane has holes in it that are smaller than a water droplet yet larger than a moisture vapor molecule - hence the breathable part. The problem is that it cannot withstand pressure, i.e. if you get rained on it will generally keep you dry. However if you sit on water, such as your boat seat, you can force the water through the membrane. Or if you have boots with a Gore-Tex liner or bootie, walking through water will generally not allow water in, but stand in it for any length of time and it will likely seep in. Most of the Helly Hansen stuff is PVC, not a membrane, but also not breathable. Great when you absolutely need to keep the water off you, but you'll sweat. So you have membrane stuff which can be very good at keeping you dry, and is somewhat breathable, vs a pvc type that is not breathable but will be almost guaranteed to keep you dry unless you get tears in it. Much like a Gore-Tex boot vs an all rubber boot. Great reply and recap. I didnt know any of that. Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delcecchi Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Sympatex uses a totally different mechanism to achieve a similar result to GoreTex. You can look it up on the Sympatex web site. I don't know what the non-goretex proprietary waterproofing like DryPlus from Cabela's and the ones from Columbia etc are. They could be membranes like Goretex since that patent expired in the late 90's. Sympatex consists of a copolymer composedof polyester (hydrophobic, shownin red) and polyether (hydrophilic, shownin white). The polyether ensures that thewater vapour (shown in blue) is transportedoutwards.(from a caption on Sympatex web site) It basically uses materials to transport the water rather than little tiny holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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