Jump to content
  • RECEIVE THE GIFTS MEMBERS SHARE WITH YOU HERE...THEN...CREATE SOMETHING TO ENCHANT OTHERS THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE

    You know what we all love...

    When you enchant people, you fill them with delight and yourself in return. Have Fun!!!

Sign in to follow this  
srfishin15

what did i do wrong??

Recommended Posts

Okay so heres my situation. Last night i was fishing the mississippi where the watab flows into it below the sartell dam. I fished there before and knew there were alot of carp.. So this time i decided to bring the fly rod. The watab was flowing in qucikly and the carp were jumping everywhere on the edges of the current in the bubbles where it was flowing in. I tried a couple nymphs, a wolly bugger, a muddler minnow, and three floating flies of different color. I sat there for an hour trying to catch these fish and there were a couple who literally jumped and landed on my flies. Thats how close they were getting. I have no idea why i didn't get a single bite!! >:( please help.. any advice would be great. My setup is a 9ft 6wt rod with a pflueger medalist reel with weight forward floating fly line to a 2 ft section of 6lb test to another 2 ft section of 4lb test. HELP!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

just because they were jumping does not mean they are feeding. you need to see the carp feeding to be sure. look for them sucking on the surface of calmer areas during HOT days and cast to them. DO NOT let the fly land in the middle of them, they will spook!

unless you know EXACTLY where they are feeding, fly fishing is pretty much useless.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the current was moving fast, fish right in it. The fish you don't see are the ones that will take the bait. I doubt a fly would work here, but my experience is that if you can get corn down deep in the flowing water you will get carp. Maybe modifying your fly presentation to do that would produce fish. (BTW, that is one of my all time favorite sopts!)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Most Carp are taken on weighted flys that hold the hook up. So when a carp that is feeding down takes the fly off the bottom it can't help but get the hook in it's mouth.

Streamers are not the best Carp flys. Muddler Minnow are not a classic Carp fly. If you are going to use a Wolly Bugger make sure it is a cone head or bead head so it gets down fast.

Active Carp are feeding Carp to some degree. Get some flys in olive, rust or rootbeer. Dumbbell weights are best to hold the hook upward. Get back and hit them again. Change up your retrieve but a slow figure 8 retrieve to pickup line is a good starting point.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quote:
My setup is a 9ft 6wt rod with a pflueger medalist reel with weight forward floating fly line to a 2 ft section of 6lb test to another 2 ft section of 4lb test. HELP!

You might want to go with 3-1/2' of 20lb test mono to 2' of 15or12lb test mono to 4' of 8-6lb test tipit. With weighted Carp flys 4lb test would be hard pressed to keep the fly on your line.

Good luck with the Medalist reel a good sized Carp can take you to your backing in no time. So a good drag is a nice thing to have, more so for Carp then any fresh water fish I can think of. Not to say you can't do it with a Medalist, I think it would be great fun to see some one fight and land a good size Carp on an old school (Trout/Panfish) reel like a Medalist. It's just not easy.

Good luck and keep at it. There is a learning curve that is steep at first but as the pieces come togather it will be a lot easier. There is always corn if you want to take the short cut.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

this maeks me feel betrer, jake, with you saying that im pretty positive they weren't feeding. But i did drop the fly into the middle of the bubble and the fish were still jumping next to it, i think there was enough current the fly hitting the water wasn't spooking them. hydro- i tried corn and bread twice last year and couldn't catch a one! comit- i was outta options on the flies, yes I know its not really a [PoorWordUsage] fly. and I'll wait until I hook one to change outfits lol kinda on a budget..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hydro, i have used Caddis creek rod and reel combos for carp for years (and they are HORRIBLE quality). and have had no problem. and i target carp on the fly several times a week. and almost every day a couple years back.

DSCF0014-1.jpg

right now i have a pflueger purist 6wt rod, and a pflueger medalist pro. the only reason i went with the pro is because i have some areas with possibilities of 30+lb carp (which i have yet to even hook up with)

i have the drag set at the loosest setting, and have already caught about 50 carp on it since i got it just after ice out

7f1b805d.jpg

so if its just not that easy to do it.... i must be pretty dang good. lol

heck... ive even landed some nice carp on an automatic fly reel that i used because i wrecked my caddis creek reel, and didnt have the $10 to get another one right away

June1330.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Carpman, you are the man! No one said you were a beginner nor did I say I was trying to help you.

That is one beat up Carp in the net by the auto reel.

I know how you must have felt with all those Carp and not one taker. I was out today and saw well over 100 Carp. I had one on right away this morning on a small cray fish fly. It picked up the fly and moved to the center of the the stream and I couldn't move it with my 7wt. Then the hook pulled out. Right after that Muddog had one on and it came off too. Not another bite after that from that area. It is hard to stay on task when 15 feet away from you there are 20 Carp trying to fit up a 12"dia storm drain pipe in 4" of water (I have a pics of it but with a new phone I'm not used to yet). There was even one Carp with red and white spots swimming around the area.

Right place, Wrong time.

Jake. Muddog says Hi.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

lol, im just saying, its actually quite possible to catch nice carp with even a 5wt. all you do it play the fish right. never try and stop a carps run. or horse it in. thats when the hook will eventually work its way out.

not trying to toot my own horn. i guess what im trying to say is that people worry about their tackle far too much, and that mindset, can lead to alot of lost fish.

muddog, hi. lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i used to use my St. Croix 5 wt with a Medalist growing up. caught TONS of carp on it in fast current. I never even used the drag, i just stripped line in and when they went off like crazy I held the line and let it slip out. manual drag, i guess

used to hammer the carp on mulberry flies. if you can find a mulberry they should be fruiting right now - find one on the water and you are golden. purple chenille on a hook is all you need

i did end up breaking my 5 wt on a nice carp though. i second the leader, you want at LEAST 6 pound, if not 8

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quote:
like i said, ill hook one before i change up leaders.. but thanks!

4foot is a short leader. It may work for shallow water but then again the fly line may spook the fish.

It is fun to land Carp on light line but that is more for lakes where there is no current and nothing but open water and no snags.

Good luck and have fun. There are a lot of carp over 30lbs all over this state that have never beed cought.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I caught smallies up north with that so i just hadn't made it longer since then. It's about 7 ft long now, all 6lb. possibility for sunfish or bass at other lakes we fish so i didn't up the poundage on it yet. If i do go for carp again i will change up though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Your Responses - Share & Have Fun :)

    • WOW!  More wow to come.  😎
    • Great looking plots and Set-ups! My early season clover plots are doing very well! This weekend I will work on the fall brassica plots, have 3 small ones, about 1/2 acre each to put in. Can't get to them with a tractor so will be doing the tilling with a walk behind garden tiller. Going to be a ton of work but this rain will be great to soften up the ground. I will also be sliding a few portables around and I need to finish to more enclosed permanent stands. I usually do all this stand work in April/May but this past spring I just did not get to it...
    • Nice! I will put a few out this weekend.....
    • Next up was installing the floor. We went with 3/4” marine grade plywood. I also coated both sides and all edges with a water sealer just to be sure.    After installing the plywood floor we put the furring strips in and ran the wiring.    Each wire goes back the front wall where I made a little panel. The front wall has an opening for a 55” TV that sits flush in the wall. The little squares above and below the tv opening are for in wall speakers.  This is half of the wires the other side of the panel has the other half.  This is all the positive wires coming through the front wall and behind the panel. I forgot to take a picture of the back of the panel after I cleaned it up and put the negative wires through.  Here is a picture of the front of the panel while I was booking everything up. All the positive wires on the left and negative on the right. My wiring is a lot different than most shacks. I’ve never made a panel like this before so I didn’t really know what to order. The terminals that the wires go into are called din rail terminal blocks the snap onto a little piece of aluminum called a din rail.  Later I found stackable ones that would have saved space but I like how it turned out. Each terminal block has a slot in it where you can put a jumper. So everything that was going to be on one switch would be jumpered together. Things on a different switch would be jumpered and so on. The terminal blocks have a hole on the top where one wire comes in and gets screwed down to hold it and there is the same on the bottom. So once the terminal blocks are jumpered to things you want on the same switch you only need one wire out the bottom. Things that were ran off of the switch went out the bottom and over to the relay board. You do the same for each thing you want to run off a different switch just run a wire to a different relay. The long green rectangle thing on the right is a relay board. Our house has 12 light switches not all of them are used yet but they can be so I bought a relay board with 12 spdt relays. The green square on the left is an arduino which is basically like a mini computer chip that you can program. I’ll explain more once I get to what our switches look like. The bottom right of the panel is for the trailer lights and brakes and all the stuff that hooks up to the truck.  I eventually replaced these normal terminal blocks with the din rail style.  Here is the wiring panel all finished up.  The reason for using all the relays and arduino was so I could use this light switch and eventually be able to control everything from a smart phone. In the fish house we have 2 of these switches which each have 6 buttons on them. Each switch has a set of cat 5 cable running to it. One set is connected to the atduino board and sends a signal saying the button was pressed.  The other cat 5 wire is to send a signal to turn on and off a little light next to the button when it is pressed   Here is the back of the switch. So basically how it works is the arduino has pins on it that can send or receive signals it also has pins that can send 5 vdc or 3vdc. So one wire from the arduinos 5 v pin hooks up to the back of the switch where it says sc (switch common 5v coming in). A different wire connects a different arduino 5 v pin to the terminal that says pc (pilot common which is just the little lights next to the buttons). So when a button is pressed a brief 5 v signal is sent from the arduino to the switch which goes through board on the switch and to the wire terminal that is for that button the signal is then sent back to a digital pin (receiving pin) of the arduino on a digital pin. The arduino has to be programmed to receive different signals on the pins you want. Once the arduino sees that a button was pressed it sends a signal over to the relay board saying a button was pressed close the relay that corresponds to that button. When the relay closes it allows the 12v to go to whatever you want to turn on. The nice thing about how this system works is everything can be changed in a matter of minutes. Say I wanted to have the ceiling lights be on button 4 instead of 1 you just have to change a couple of numbers in the code and plug the arduino into your computer and upload the updated code. I’m sure I lost most people right away and I’m not sure if anyone else would even want to do something similar but If so you can message me and I can try and explain it better. Before this I’ve never done anything like this so I had to learn all of this online and how to write little bits of code and do all that which was fun but also frustrating at times since I didn’t have anyone to go to with my questions.  Not sure If this video will work or not.  4B8EE058-806B-4BF6-8DD8-8FC76BE46BD0.MOV  
    • Everything is going strong now. Been making salsa for the last week or so, have been doing abt's with the jalapenos,  thinking on letting them go red to spread it out a bit. The early girls are kicking em out but the big boys have a bit. Canned two jars of pickles with more coming down the pipe, but I'm gonna hafta start grilling some zucchini,  can only make so much bread.    Bell peppers seem to be running a little on the small side, starting to change colors but was hoping for some better sized ones for stuffing. Snap peas did good out of the gate but are trailing off already,  ya gotta love this time of year!!
    • juicy or freeze dried?
    • Most of the state has been experiencing sunny, warm, and beautiful summer days. The forecast predicts some rain over the next day or two, but otherwise it looks like warm temperatures and clear days and nights. Canoers at Mays Ledges at the Brule River State Forest.These mild and sunny days have been great for canoeing and kayaking and many river water levels are moderate and perfect for paddling. The lower Wisconsin Rivers is running just about normal for this time of year, with many sandbars popping up.Much of the state has been hovering at moderate fire danger this week, which means, in the right place, wildfires can happen. Nearly 60 wildfires have occurred across the state in July, mostly caused by fireworks or sparks from equipment. .
    • Looks to me like a great fishing cart...mount some pole holders on the sides and a cup holder for your beverage and life is good!!🎣
    • i still have some from 2016, most from last year yet but i like to stay ahead. how do they say it........i like to let them MELD!!!!!!!!!😁 that was a 1/2 bushel, smaller batches makes it not so over whelming. especially on a work nite. 
×