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social security # fishing license?????

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I heard today on the radio (am) that you have to prove social security # when you purchase a fishing license. anybody heard about that?

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in wisconsin you have to. not in minnesota though.

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I think it was on cco they said they were doing it to track child support cases. maybe it hassnt gone into effect but I heard it.

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I think it is a proposed bill, it has to do with child support enforcemnet. Here is what I found so far:

Sections 1 to 3 of this bill require applicants for driver's licenses and noncommercial game and fish licenses to provide their social security numbers on license applications. Federal law requires states to collect social security numbers on driver's and recreational license applications for purposes of child support enforcement. The state's failure to enact these provisions may result in the state losing federal child support funding and a portion of the state's Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) block grant funding. The remaining sections in the bill make various changes to current laws relating to child support enforcement.

If you want to read the whole thing, here is the link to the Minnesota House of Representatives HSOforum:

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/talk/83/hf0937.html

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Minnesota makes me ill. The lefties in this state are fighting a federal mandate that if you aquire a state or federal liscense to enjoy a liscensed PRIVELEDGE, you submit your S.S. number so that they can be assured you are not in violation of child support laws.
Wether you think this is right or wrong is beside the point (IMO, anyone who doesn't make good on child support should wither and die), but this state loves to gloss every socialist thing it does in the luster of being "for the children".
Explain that one, DFL!
Hypocritical creeps.........

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thanx fishnlady

so are you saying it won't be as complicated as getting a drivers license.
getting a fishing license should'nt have to be that complicated....

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I would happily show my SS card if it would assure that something would be done to the one-who-thinks-I-am-silly that owes my sister about $6000 for back child support... but who are they trying to kid? They want to keep the funding, so they will do to us what they need to do to make that happen. Its too bad they arent taking the measures they should be and tracking some of these dead-beats down.

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Irvingdog, that was a cheap shot. For you and Chigger, theres a simple solution, if you don't like Minnesota, move - theres lots of open spaces in SD, ND, and Montana. Show some action instead of whining.

If you read the articles on this SSN issue, you'll see that MN has been resisting a FEDERAL mandate that they collect SSN's, MN is one of the last states to start collecting the SSN's. The only reason that they're doing it now is to ensure that they get 350 million in federal funds. When MN is facing a 4 billion dollar deficit, thats nothing to sneeze at. And if you read the articles on this, you'll find out that the DNR is going to access the drivers licince data base to get your SSN, so most people won't even notice, unless you don't have a drivers licence.

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I'll explain it irvingdog. There is no hypocrisy. Officials quoted in the StarTrib stated this wouldn't do much of anything to find deadbeats. Therefore, taxpayers will foot the bill to collect and process the SS#s for all hunters/anglers. Maybe the Republicans who passed this at the federal level should've considered the cost/benefits when they passed this mandate in 1996.

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It is going to be a federal law. Itv is so they can track down people who aren't paying their child support. I think it's good and bad. I think people should pay support, so I support the law. But I wonder if people are going to poach in order to not get caught?

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You guys have not got to the point yet... It is a matter of money. If the state does not do this the state will lose 320 million clams for the welfare system here. We are the last or one of the last states to impose this. Those of you who fish/hunt the upper midwest or anywhere in the U.S. knows that when you apply for your license they ask for your ss number not a big deal to me. It is a matter of this great state of welfare/support to lose a lot of money.

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WallEYES you got it over here in ND we have to use social security numbers. So what there are so many places now a days that you have to use your SS# whats the big deal. If they are using it to find Dead Beat Dads good. There is nothing worse in my opinion of a Father not supporting his own. It is terrible so what about how you feel for the mother at one point you like her and the kid well it takes two. I don't have any kids but with the amount of taxes (that goes to well fare) that are taken out of my check I must be supporting a couple. To quote Jesse James "PAY UP SUCKER".

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Well, I suppose the identity theft thing could be an issue if the license had your SSN printed on it. But, since its just for ID verification at the place of purchase......then so what.

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Can enyone tell me where all the people that were appossed to putting visa expiration dates on DLs went? You would think they would be standing in line to fight this one as well. Oh yeah they only fight things that effect non citizens!

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Just give them a number with 1 digit wrong and the whole thing is rendered worthless.

This is a rhetorical question, but what's to stop anyone from providing bogus information that isn't verified in your current records, e.g. driver's license?

I don't know exactly how they are going to prevent this type of fraud, but I thought I'd ask here. Is some 17 yr. old selling licenses going to check somehow?

I'm not visiting MGM Liquor any longer now that they want to "swipe" my DL each time I buy a Six Pack--enough is enough...

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From what I gather, your SSN that you will now have to give for your driver's license will be provided in a database to the DNR......

Then when you go to get your fishing license, they will ask for your SSN and make sure that it matches your name and DL number.

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I pay child support for my daughter. If anybodies ducks\ are mis aligned it is the social services depts. they don,t care for the children in some cases. I watch my daughter 4 days a week and I still pay out the a**. they thke more than 65%(with taxes) of my paycheck I went to get it lowered and they raised it. the sad thing is that my x (good terms)only gets a small fraction of what I pay. the rate of interest is unreal. i'll be dead by the time I pay it off will she then have to pay it. ha ha

if any one has any problems in carver county I would love to hear them

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My whole problem is giving away my social security number. Why in the world is it necessary to give up your financial identity? Lots of info are linked from it; your tax i.d., investments, bank accounts,etc.

With the ease of identity theft, this is a terrible proposal. I know someone who went through a identity theft, not a fun or easy problem to correct. Why make it easier?

$320 million will not be granted if this does not pass. Kind of like extortion.

If someone refuses to pay for their kids, do you really think they will worry about buying a fishing/hunting license for $18?

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The State is enacting policy to comply with Federal Mandates. The State opposed the issue not to protect the rights of deadbeat Dads but to protect the rights of citizens who already abide by the Law and already provide the SSN to obtain a Drivers Liscence. As the mandate from the Feds reads everyone 8 to 80 regardles must provide the ssn. Not sure but don't know too amany 8yr pld deadbeat dads. The federal mandate is just one more way for the fedes to impose on the rights of already law abiding citizens. It smacks of the same ignorace that imposes gun law after gun law expecting to catch a criminal. Sorry but criminals don't do things legally anyway so no law enacted will make a criminal think twice.
Deadbeats are just that and if you think a deadbeat is going to act in a legal and law abiding manner due to some legislation you need to take off the rosy tinted spectacles you are wearing.

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