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Team Day 1 # Oz Day 1 Points Big Fish
CD/PP 32 3 32.19
Tom/Dave 31 10 31.63
Clueless 27 8 27.50
Ron/Steve 21 3 21.19 4lbs 15 oz
Ron/Doug 16 7 16.44
Lance/Tex 13 11 13.68
Josh/Josh 11 6 11.38
Chris/Shawn 9 2 9.13
Frandowski 7 9 7.56
Bob O/Abby 6 4 6.25

Team Day 2 # Oz Day 2 Points Big Fish
Clueless 28 1 28.06
Ron/Steve 27 1 27.06
CD/PP 25 13 25.81 5 lbs 3 oz
Tom/Dave 24 12 24.75
Ron/Doug 23 3 23.19
Bob O/Abby 15 0 15
Chris/Shawn 13 11 13.69
Frandowski 8 14 8.89
Lance/Tex 5 13 5.81
Josh/Josh 0 0 0

Team Final Points
CD/PP 58.00
Tom/Dave 56.38
Clueless 55.56
Ron/Steve 48.25
Ron/Doug 39.63
Chris/Shawn 22.81
Bob O/Abby 21.25
Lance/Tex 19.5
Frandowski 16.44
Josh/Josh 11.38

Congrats goes out to CD/PP for not only winning the event, but also for taking the award for big fish for the weekend. Thanks to Jeff Beckwith at Scenic Tackle they won a complete Jig Kit. Thanks for the donation Jeff, we sure do appreciate it.

See everyone on Winnie


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Couldnt wait, here they are-

Tom/Mark/Dave 102.69
CD/PP 98.19
Clueless 90.62
Ron/Doug 84.19
Ron/Steve 64.06
Frandowski 40.19
Chris/Shawn 31.13
Josh/Josh 29.88
Bob O/Abby 29.25
Lance/Tex 19.50
Tyler/Brian 9.81


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That is the total point standings. We are going by total weight this year as was discussed this winter grin.gif

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Ok, maybe we have a mix-up here, but I was pretty sure we were going with overall weight this season. I know that the Metro was going to do this as well until Dennis posted his 50 some pounds to the closest teams 10 or so. I guess it really does not matter either way, just that a total weight would almost certainly eliminate the chances of a tie. What do you all think we should do?....either way, we're still in first!!...LOL

I also think by keeping a running total of overall weight will keep more teams in the running for the overall championship. It would be theoretically possible for lets say a team to score massive points by catching a legal muskie each day along with a mixed bag. By going by the 15, 14, 13, etc, etc point system, the teams in the lower half have virtually zero chance of making up ground. But with overall weight, they could have an awesome weekend while other teams struggle and really make a push to the top.

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Either way is fine by me, as long as it works to my advantage! grin.giftongue.gif

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Hmmm...I didn't realize the total point thing either. If that's the case this team is really going work hard now!! smile.gif

You have to look at it this way....it's more difficult to tie for a place using Tom's point system.

Thanks Jeff for that great jig kit! It looks great, and your jigs always catch me more fish. wink.gif

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As far as the metro league, Dennis had the rules out before the league started stating that the scoring system would follow by place finished (15 to 1) and not by weight. Not sure how that will work as far as ties. I would think you could use total weight as a tie breaker. Otherwise our league would already have been decided after event 1.

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I just looked for the Statewide rules to see what they said about our overall scoring and can't find them? Even all the places we placed links to the rules don't work. What happened to the rules?

None the less I would be in favor of overall points, but would be interested evaluating some type of weighted average were the overall total season weight would account for more than the individual events, since it is an end of year season payout.

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Of the two options (overall weight -vs- point system), I definitely like overall weight. Not to complicate things too much, but I still wouldn't mind seeing a team's finish for each tournament taken into account. If it's just over-all weight, it would be very possible for team A to beat team B in 3 of the four tournaments and still place behind team be in the final standings because team B had one big day. I think there should be some reward for consistency. Would it be worth talking about some sort of weighted system with those two variables (if not for this year maybe next year and beyond). Just a thought.

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I really don't have a problem either way, but I would think that by weight, a person could move up a lot faster than by the point system.

I would put a vote in for the total weight. But again, I won't have a problem either way.

I just thought that on the point system it was very difficult to improve, even if you had a very good tourney - you would gain a couple points, versus if you have a good day on the weight system and add 20+ lbs over what everyone else had. It just seems a little more fair in my mind.

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I thought you would say that Ethan! Your the one that people have to watch out for! smile.gif

Just think, one muskie could bust up a lot of scores with the total weight deal. That might make a 6-7th place team overall for the year on the points system win in the overall weight point system for the year. I don't know. That's just my $.02

Look at Aaron and I last year. I think we had a 5th place, 2nd place, 8th place and a 4th place to finish 5th overall and get a check for $50. That's not bad granted $%*@^& Rush Lake!

I'll check my rules tonight and see what it says. That should clear the air.

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It was great to get to say Hi to you all on Sunday. I've been sitting here at work day dreaming about next summer when I can hopefully join you guys... I've actually gone through and did the math in a spread sheet to see what would happen if the winner of each tournament were given extra points (or pounds if you want to look at it that way). I figured since you guys have 11 boats in the league the winner should get 22 points, second would get 20, third 18, fourth 16, and on down the line... No shows would get 0. In this way you could go by total weight (and move up quickly) but it would still be VERY helpful to win each weekend. It does a few interesting things to the points standings. Let me know if you want me to post it.

Good luck on Winni...

Evenflow
(AKA - 1 half of "Cuz we Spoon")

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I am in favor of this modified point system....provide more separation between each place that would take everything into account.

Thanks Erik, Shawn and I had actually talked about this on the way to Rainy, but for some reason forgot about!

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As an outside observer I think you should probably do whatever the rules said you were going to do. But like said I'm not in the league this year, so you should all decide what to do.
I suppose I'm the only one thinking ahead to next year already, but here's what the difference would be. Hopefully this will turn out. Here's an example of what a modified system would do to the leaderboard. It is interesting how it changes things. All three methods are displayed here Points, weight and modified which uses both points and weight. (I think/hope I have the right stats)

Totals -Placing Points -Total Pounds -Total scores
Tom/Dave -42 -102.69 -144.69
CD/PP -40 -98.19 -138.19
Clueless -34 -90.62 -124.62
Ron/Doug -26 -84.19 -110.19
Ron/Steve -28 -64.06 -92.06
Frandowski -20 -40.19 -60.19
Bob O/Abby -20 -29.25 -49.25
Chris/Shawn -18 -31.13 -49.13
Josh/Josh -16 -29.88 -45.88
Lance/Tex -14 -19.5 -33.5
Tyler/Brian -8 -9.81 -17.81


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LOL CD, look who's talking!! I think we should fish lakes that don't have any bass from now on. You and Aaron would probably find the bass in those lakes anyway! Seriously, I don't know how you guys do it!

We spent a lot of time looking for that one big pike, but it didn't happen for us. We're going to have to try that much harder at the next tourney to win that jig kit. Between the rocks on Rainy and the pike on Bemidji, I have gone through about a whole kit already!!

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Here are the rules:

L.E.T.S. Go Fishing!!
Leading Edge Tournament Series 2003
Official Rules and Information
L.E.T.S. is a league format event in which teams of 2 anglers compete for points. This is a multi-species tournament series which allows for a wide variety of fishing options.
League Size- 15 teams
Teams- 2 people must sign up to be league members. Teams may use substitutes, but at least 1 registered team member must participate.
Cost- League fees for 2003 will be $300 per team. All fees will go towards event pay-outs, overall champion payouts, Saturday night meals for all teams, and any league expenses. The first 15 teams to send in their dues will be allowed into the league.
Registration will begin FERUARY 1st
Pay-out Schedule(based on a 15 team league):
Individual event pay-outs
1st place - $200
2nd place - $150
3rd place - $100
4th place - $50
5th place - $50
There will also be a big fish prize awarded for each individual event, this prize will be a donation from Scenic Tackle, a very reputable site sponsor!

Season championship pay-outs
1st place - $500
2nd place - $300
3rd place - $200
4th place - $150
5th place - $100
6th place - $100
7th place - $100
8th place - $50
Events- Each event will be a 2 day tournament. Saturday's event will run from Noon until sundown, Sunday will be from sunrise to 2pm. Each day will have a 1 hour break 4 hours into the event. This will allow for a lunch break as well as scoring of fish caught during the first half.
Dates and locations:
May 31st & June 1st - Rainy Lake (United States Side Only)
June 21st & 22nd - Lake Bemidji
July 26th & 27th - Lake Winnibigoshish
August 23rd & 24th - West Battle Lake
Lodging- To keep in the spirit of sharing information, fellowship and camaraderie, we encourage teams to camp or stay in the same general area. The following campsites/resorts are recommended-

Rainy Lake- Woody's Fairly Reliable Rainy Lake Resort
Resort info:
http://www.fairlyreliable.com/bnb.html
Also, camping is available for free on many of the islands and shoreline campsites around the lake.
Headquarters- Woody's.
To hold your reservation, payment must be received no later than FEBRUARY 10th.
Send a deposit of $50 per person to-
Tom Herman
721 8th Ave S Apt 9
Sauk Rapids, MN 56379
Lake Bemidji- Bemidji State Park, Lakeside Motel, and others.
Headquarters- Diamond Point Park
Lake Winni- Numerous US Forest Service campgrounds on East side of lake. $12-$14 per night
http://www.reserveusa.com/nrrs/mn/moso/
http://www.reserveusa.com/nrrs/mn/deel/
http://www.reserveusa.com/nrrs/mn/wlnr/wlnr1.html
http://www.reserveusa.com/nrrs/mn/lakw/
http://www.reserveusa.com/nrrs/mn/oneg/
Headquarters- To be determined.
West Battle Lake- Camping at League member CD's place.
Headquarters- To be determined
Saturday nights' meal site will be announced prior to the event.
General Rules- L.E.T.S. prides itself as being a catch-and-release league. Taking some fish for the pan is ok, but selective harvest is strongly recommended.
1) All rules and regulations of the State of Minnesota must be observed at all times. There will also be a boat and trailer inspection for aquatic vegetation prior to teams launching their boat.
2) A cell phone or marine band radio must be in the boat at all times. This is necessary for safety and to contact other teams for large fish verification. Note- Cell phones will not work on Rainy Lake.
3) Teams must respect other teams. No fishing within 30 yards of another team will be allowed unless invited by said team to do so. Non league boats must also be respected at all times.
4) All check-in deadlines will be strictly enforced. A watch synchronization will take place each morning.
5) There will be a staggered start. Teams will draw for starting position before each event. Boats will then leave the starting point in 5 second intervals with the last team being the starter boat. After the break, this order will be reversed. On the second day, order of start will be determined by total points, having the lowest scoring team go first, highest last. In case of a tie, the first days' starting order will be used. This order will be maintained after the second days' break.
6) Scoring- The scoring system will be based on weight converted to points. There will also be points awarded for attendance.
Point values- 1 lb of fish = 1 pt (Across the board for all species)
Attendance= 2 points per event
Walleye= Minimum size = 12 inches
Pike= Minimum size = 20 inches
LM/SM Bass= Minimum size = 12 inches
Sunfish= Minimum size = 7 inches
Crappie= Minimum size = 9 inches
Perch = Minimum size = 9 inches
Lake Trout= Minimum size = 16 inches
Muskie= Any legal fish will be worth 25 points
One bonus point will be awarded for each Pike, Walleye, Bass combination brought in for a maximum bonus of 3 points.
A running point total will be kept towards an end of the year league champion. These points will be based on order of finish. 1st place will receive 15 points, second 14, and so on plus attendance points. Ties will be determined by largest fish caught.
7) Limits- Each team will be allowed one persons' legal limit per day.
8) Lifejackets- The wearing of lifejackets while teams boat is under power of main engine is strongly encouraged.
9) Live wells- All boats must have a live well or other means such as a cooler with an aerator capable of keeping fish alive. Stringers and fish baskets will not be allowed.
10) Fishable waters- Any water that can be accessed by boat without having to pull, push or drag the boat will be deemed tournament water. The use of a push-pole, oar or paddle will be allowed. On Rainy Lake, only the United States side will be open for competition.
11) All teams must remain in their boat except in case of emergency, or at breaks and weigh-ins.
12) Fishing in Minnesota presents a wide range of weather conditions that anglers must face. Events will only be cancelled in the event of lightning. The event will not be completely cancelled, only postponed until the lightning has passed. In event of lightning, all boats must return to the starting area within 1/2 hour from time lightning is spotted by league president. This will allow ample time for teams to reach safety. Teams failing to report in will loose all points for that day except under conditions where teams must take immediate cover and unable to make it back to the starting point. Teams will be contacted by cell phone or marine band radio if a postponement is called.
13) All rules and scoring decisions will be made by league president and are final. In the event of a rules violation or conflict by the league president, the league vice president will make the call. Any rules changes will be announced prior to each event.
To register for L.E.T.S. Go Fishing or for any questions you may have, please contact either:
Tom Herman, "Gullguide"
L.E.T.S. League President
[email protected]
Paul Waldowski, "Pwaldow123"
L.E.T.S League Vice-President
[email protected]
Chris Graber, "Grabs"
L.E.T.S League Treasurer
[email protected]

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This is a big learning process for all of us. Maybe we'll have all the bugs worked out in say like.....50 years?...lol
I looked for the rules too last night and could not find them either...no clue to where they went.

Anyhow, what should we do? Overall weight? Points for place finished? or a combo of both? We should decide this quite quickly.

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Clearly, both systems have merit. Personally, I think the point system measures consistency better. I don't think we should completely switch to weight at this point, but a combination of the two would be reasonable. One easy solution would be to split the final payouts and award one half based on points and the other half based on weight. I'll go along with whatever the group decides since it is highly unlikely to make any difference for my team (g).

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I looked for a LONG time this morning for the rules and they disappeared!! I DO have a copy of the rules in my boat, and I can look if you guys can hang on until tomorrow morning LOL!

If my memory serves me right, the metro league basically copied and pasted our statewide LETS rules onto their own forum. I thought it was even worded the same(?).

I say we stick with what we (thought) we had and what it was last year. At Rainy we even listed the total points on the board on the dock starting with 15 points for 1st place winner and down the last two teams that tied for last. That's what I recall.

Keep the total weight points throughout the season to determine the winning team if there were a tie in overall points.

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