Jump to content
  • GUESTS

    If you want access to members only forums on HSO, you will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up .

    This box will disappear once you are signed in as a member. 😀

  • RECEIVE THE GIFTS MEMBERS SHARE WITH YOU HERE...THEN...CREATE SOMETHING TO ENCHANT OTHERS THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE

    You know what we all love...

    When you enchant people, you fill them with delight and yourself in return. Have Fun!!!

Sign in to follow this  
catfishbait

Whats the laws?

Recommended Posts

I beleive that land above the high watermark is considered private. At any rate I would avoid walking down a frozen river hunting. Just too many bad things could happen besides the potential for tresspassing.

Deer aren't worth dieing for.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I feel safe on the river as it was -18 this morning. The deer cross back and forth all over this river. We can fish on these rivers can't we hunt on them?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't plan on pullin the trigger if the deer is on private land that you do not own or that you do not have permission to hunt on. Its one thing to retrieve a deer that crosses a property line, but don't be standing on the river and shoot at a deer that is 50 yds up on someone's private property.
Common sense needs to be used on this topic.

I gotta admit, this is one of the oddest questions I have seen in a while.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Our river is wide here,100yds in spots,and there is spots you can shoot 500+ straight away. I"m using a muzzleloader,and able to shoot flat at 100yds. Any input is appreciated!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Catfishbait,

Maybe the question should be, is it ethical to hunt deer from a frozen river between two private properties? The seeming intent to hunt from said location says alot about your attitude.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

catfishbait, you ask an interesting question. As someone stated, the highwater mark is the legal boundary. And your point about people legal hunting ducks on the river if valid. The difference that I see between duck and deer hunting is that most fo the shot ducks will land in the river or close to it while deer are bigger and tougher and the odds are they won't just drop on the river, you'll be going onto private land to retrieve them, causing conflicts with landowners, giving hunters a bad name. Think about the quality of your hunt, getting into a shouting match with an owner, is that what you want? And again, that gives all hunters a bad rap.

I know you're going to say that you plan on dropping the deer on the spot with your muzzleloader, but I know I've seen a lot of shot 'dead' deer run a 100 yards before they keel over. And wounded ones run even farther!

Don't do it. Getting a deer in the back of your truck is not the only purpose of deer hunting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I see the river as a piece of state land, like any other state land,is open to public hunting! There are hundreds of other hunters that hunt state land and wound deer and dont feel bad or worry about tracking them on to surrounding land? I guess i'm not seeing what the difference is here? Is the river not state land?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Catfish, people do float rivers for waterfowl. And yes, it is legal. Can you navigate rivers, frozen or open for hunting? YES. Others have stated issues of wounded deer, or deer that run even with a lethal shot. The chances are that the deer will run to land, which is private. Do you plan on only shooting the deer on the river surface? Can you be certain that the deer can be dropped on the spot with a head, neck or spine shot? That might be tough, if not impossible to do. Have you already made a choice about retrieval of deer that run on land? If yes. you've already made a choice to break the law. Do you think permission may be given to retrieve a shot deer? Ask the landowners, see if access would be given. However, if the owner doesn't allow hunters on his land, I doubht that permission would be given. The owner would view the deer as "his", comeing off his land. Deer are land dwellers, not water dwellers. Hunting waterfowl that live on rivers is different than hunting deer that cross rivers to get to LAND on the other side.....Sure, you can legaly hunt waterways. Can you be SURE that the deer are going to stay on the water? That's where the problem lies. To answer your question, yes......And NO.

------------------
http://groups.msn.com/canitbeluck

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I guess my only response to this is, why in the heck would anybody think about attempting this. I agree with the comment on tying up the EMS services for you, because that is what is going to happen.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think this is an interesting topic and one that not too many people have questioned. And for those of you who choose to judge this person's ethics I think you should step back a few and look at the original question...."What are the laws"? I can think of many other circumstances that I feel are much more unethical than shooting a deer on the ice! I think Catfishbait makes some good points and brings up some good questions. How is this any different than hunting other "state" land?

If I am hunting on the edge of my property and a deer is heading off my property, I shouldn't shoot because then I have to go and get permision from the other land owner and worry about getting into a long discussion over it?

Would I be [PoorWordUsage]ed if someone hunted on the river that runs through my parents land? Your dang right I would be, but thats not the question Catfishbait posted.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OK
Lets answer his question.
Yes, its probably legal to hunt there.
Great, now he can stand on a frozen river, and push his luck with adjacent landowners.

Granny
You are correct. It was a simple question to start off, but look at his replies to the concerns of ethical hunters trying to help him see the light with the issues that may come if he chooses to hunt there.

Just because something is legal, doesn't mean ya load up and head out.
Hunting is not just stand there and shoot.
It can also encompass other issues.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From the regs.


"Rules of Thumb for Water Access and Recreational Use.
These are simple rules of thumb and are not intended to address all
water access and recreational use situations. If you have doubts about
whether you may be trespassing on private land, we recommend that you
ask the landowner for permission.
1.What is lawful access?
A stream or lake is lawfully accessible if there is a public access, or
if public land or a public road right-of-way abuts the surface of the
water, or if you have permission to cross private land to reach the
surface of the water.
2.What is recreational use?
Recreational use includes boating, swimming, fishing, hunting,
trapping, and similar activities. It includes walking in the water in
connection with such activities regardless of who owns the land
beneath the surface of the water.
2003 Minnesota Hunting Regulations
3.What waters are open to recreational use?
A stream or lake is open to recreational use over its entire surface
if it is capable of recreational use and if it is lawfully accessible.
Any water that will float a canoe is capable of recreational use, but
other waters may also qualify depending upon the circumstances."

Read the second sentence again.

[This message has been edited by Bogsucker (edited 12-12-2003).]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Absolutely right Granny. Catfishbait's question is legitimate. His ethics are being questioned, should they be? After all, if he shoots a deer that stays on the river, that would be legal. I guess the problems lie in "possibilities". The possibility that the deer runs on private land. As far as "tieing up" EMS services, I'd be the first one to help out someone in distress. After all, if kept within the framework of a legal hunt, what's wrong with that? It all goes back to possibilities, and weighing them out. If you can GUARANTEE a safe and legal hunt, go for it.

------------------
http://groups.msn.com/canitbeluck

[This message has been edited by can it be luck? (edited 12-12-2003).]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, his question is valid, however what will he have accomplished if he does indeed shoot a deer in the situation mentioned?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Can it be luck,
Just for clarification, say Catfishbait decided to go on the river and he shoots a deer and it goes onto private property. Is this an "illegal" hunt? Or is it just the fact that it will probably go on to private land and thus makes it unethical?

Lets take away this ice and say a guy sits in a conoe to deer hunt. A deer walks across a shallow section in the river and the guy shoots it. Is this illegal or unethical?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Granny, whether it be ice or open water it's still the same. No differance. Ethical can be tough to answer, not knowing ALL there is to know. . I feel that if a person can legally engage in a hunt that GUARANTEES that no laws will be broken..Go for it. If you have doubts, and there's a STRONG POSSIBILITY that laws will be broken(trespass laws), then you need to take another look at what you're getting into.
To answer your question. It's neither illegal or unethical to shoot a deer standing in a shallow river. I've shot two running across a shallow river. grin.gif PS: I never questioned Catfishbaits ethics. smile.gif
------------------
http://groups.msn.com/canitbeluck

[This message has been edited by can it be luck? (edited 12-12-2003).]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Go ask the land owner for permission to hunt his land. That would take care of all the problems. State what you know, and just ask. You would be surprised at how many will say yes, especially this time of the year, even after saying no earlier in the year.

I would refrain, just because I'm one of those guys who has to ask for permission to hunt, and one more landowner who gets upset is one more landowner who will say "no".

Offer a case of beer or some beer sticks. That always gets em!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Let me also add this. If I'm hunting(legally on private or public land) and a deer I shoot runs onto private land, I WILL go and get that deer. Assuming I'm not standing on the property line or very close to it. I wont put myself in a position where the chances are HIGH that the deer will run to private land. However, if I'm tracking a hard hit deer, I will retrieve it. Ethical? You tell me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Can it be luck,
The ethics thing wasn't directed towards you at all.

Catfishbait,
Yes this hunt is probably legal, but as you can tell most people, including myself, don't think its a good idea due to many unsafe conditions.

I need a beer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think I'll join you! That's right, I dont drink. Maybe I'll make an exception today. smile.gif Granny, I didn't feel as though your statements were directed at me. It's all good! smile.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Can it be luck,
I need to keep busy for the next 11 hours here, you going to be around your computer?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

can it be luck,

The law does not determine ethics. Each hunter must assume his/her own personal code. I would say that if an animals movement is impeded in any way by: ice, deep snow, mud, water, etc... it would be unethical to shoot that animal. I also believe that hunting, in the situation that catfishbait described, is unethical. It certainly wouldn't promote good hunter/landowner relations.

Well catfishbait, please comment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  

  • Your Responses - Share & Have Fun :)

    • Foam may give me a couple extra days. I try to pull the shack ahead for fresh ice every two to three weeks.    Alot of times I have to move due to a heavy snow fall or warm streak. As the weight displaces water caused from the sagging ice sheet underneath me.    Nobody ever said living on A floating ice cube for two months straight was going to be easy or smart.    
    • what garmin do you have?  garmins lake maps here: https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/125128#devices
    • as some of you know by the various topics I"ve posted on different ice house questions, you've guessed this is my first year with one, and thanks for the responses so far.  another question, how long are you guys getting to run your ice castles on just a 12 volt group 27 power supply? the other night, i was getting some stuff ready, had the heater running, lights, and radio. about 15 min later, my 3year old co/propane alarm detector was throwing the low voltage alarm. I always have the battery plugged in with the built in battery maintainer ice castle provides. so i thought the charger may have been shot, tested the battery with a 12volt tester and everything was good. hooked up a different charger and that read full battery.  so I turned the heat off and the radio with the 15 sec beep going and it stopped after i had just the LED lights going. I called the manufacturer of the co/lp alarm and she said the low voltage goes off at around 10volts. the battery is 2 years old.  next thing i did was swapped batteries with a 1 year old battery, ran everything the same for  a good 40 minutes with no low voltage alarm going, so now I"m thinking my 2 year old battery cant handle the load high enough for the alarm to go off even though the lights are bright and no sign of being weak.  so long story short, how long should i be able to expect to have my lights, furnace, and radio on-granted my current battery is good to go? I'd figured it would be nice not having to run the genny at night if i can get away with just the furnace and no dam low voltage alarm waking me up at night
    • That's interesting. I would believe fish gorge themselves then go a day or two without eating.  They probably don't eat breakfast, lunch, dinner and second dinner like I do!
    • If you're confined to the sleeper then your results are going to be hit or miss and your odds of a really epic day aren't very good.  You'll probably catch some fish in the sleeper but I have yet to experience a truly great day by just staying in the sleeper.     Like others have said Cookies on Red Lake is a good option.  I've stayed with him before and he moved the house for us on Saturday afternoon when we only had a handful of fish by then.  The bite didn't pick up substantially with the move but its nice to know the guy is doing everything he can to give you a good trip.   I haven't stayed with Johnny P at Red Lake Remote but I've heard nothing but good things.    I think if you explained your experience to any of those guys they'll do their very best to give you an epic day but of course they can only do so much.   Do you usually come up with a bunch of other people or by yourself?  Maybe there is a way to get you out in a more mobile set up where you can go punch a bunch of holes and go find the fish.  From my experience there really isn't a trick to fishing Red Lake its all about moving around drilling lots of holes until you get on them.   Just find a spot without anyone else around and start drilling.  
    • i'm hoping santa brings me some!!!!!!!!!!!! but i've been told i havent been all the good the past year!!!!!!!!😩
    • Plan on an archery tag again this spring.  Only Minnesota, hope to someday hunt a Merriams somewhere.
    • not sure how accurate this is, but i read once that a fish will eat its weight once every 3 days????????????
    • I was at Cabelas over the weekend and they had a sign at the fish tanks with the feeding schedule. They only feed them 3 times a week, and there are some really nice sunnies and crappies in those tanks. Made me wonder how often fish actually eat. Also gave me a great excuse for all those times I go out and get skunked.
    • As Leech said, I would contact Johnny P with Red Lake Remotes. He used to post a lot on this site and seemed to know the lake like the back of his hand. He started a few years ago with just portable houses in order to go "remote" but now has sleeper houses.  
×