Harassed by Anti's

[Guest]

MORE INFO........I have recently learned from a friend that there is a branch(chapter) of PETA in the Duluth area. They are active and do have meetings, as such, to discuss strategies for the up-comming deer hunt. Thru limited research it comes to attention they have legal defence funds that are used to pay for lawyers,fines, travel expenses, just about any costs incurred while attempting to thwart a successful hunt. Geez.......I sure hope I don't run into anything like that. It sure could ruin an otherwise enjoyable outing. Is anyone willing to vol. for "FLY-ON-THE-WALL" duty?
TALKOOOOOOOOO!

[Steve Foss]

I'm going to reply to the original post.

Parts of the original post will appear in quotes, and my replies in capital letters.

Let me say first that I love to hunt. I have hunted for years for birds, deer, squirrel, rabbit and others. I support hunting, and our right to do it. So if you think my replies are off base, think again. I'm simply looking at this objectively, and if you look at this issue emotionally instead of objectively, that's half the battle in favor of the antis.

"About an hour after I had set up a car drove by and saw my truck parked in the woods. They then proceeded to drive back and forth blasting the car horn for a while. Then they moved to a road about 300 yards across a field from where I sat and began banging on buckets and pots chanting 'go home, ain't no deer'. This lasted for a couple of hours."

SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT? YOU WERE ON PUBLIC OR (WITH PERMISSION) PRIVATE LAND AND EXERCISING YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, AND YOUR RIGHT TO HUNT. THE ANTIS WERE EXPRESSING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND EXPRESSION. DISAGREE WITH THEM? SURE I DO, BUT THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT, AS WE HAVE OURS. UNLESS IT WAS ON PRIVATE LAND AND THEY DID NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO ENTER. IF SO, THEY WERE GUILTY OF TRESPASS. DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY FOILING YOUR HUNT? IF NOT, HARD TO PROVE IN COURT THAT THEY INTENDED TO INTERFERE WITH YOUR PARTICULAR HUNT. IF YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY RUINING A HUNT, YOU CAN'T GET A CONVICTION. BUT IT'S SILLY THAT THIS PARTY WOULD TALK ABOUT HUNTERS GOING HOME. DUMB MOVE, BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY GIVES A LAWYER CAUSE TO SAY IT WAS TO FOIL A HUNT. SMART ANTIS JUST SING A SONG OR HAVE A LOUD COVERSATION, LIKE SINGING THE "BATTLE HYMN OF THE REPUBLIC" OR RECITING SOME SPEECH, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVE THEY WERE WORKING AGAINST THE HUNTERS WHO WERE EXERCISING THEIR OWN RIGHTS.

"The honking car horns i'm used too, but it is usually just as someone drives past. The chanting and drumming is new one."

IT'S NOT NEW IN THEIR CIRCLES. THEY'VE BEEN USING THAT TACTIC FOR YEARS.

"I wasn't too upset at first, but the more I think about it the more it burns me."

IT SHOULD BURN YOU, IT'S WRONG. AND, FRANKLY, I THINK IT'S COWARDLY. A COURAGEOUS ANTI WOULD TRACK YOU TO YOUR STAND AND SHOUT UP AT YOU. BUT THEY RARELY DO THAT. THE REALLY SMART ONES LEARN THE LAW AND SKIRT ITS EDGES, ASSUMING NO HUNTER WILL CHALLENGE SUCH ANTICS.

THE FACT IS, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HUNT AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTEST IT. IF THEY DO SO IN AN ILLEGAL WAY, THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. BUT THE COURTS CONTINUALLY RE-EVALUATE THE LAW, AND THE NATION'S MAJORITY CONTINUES TO MAKE ITS WILL KNOWN ON LEGISLATURES, AND WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL THEN IS NOT ILLEGAL NOW, AND WHAT'S ILLEGAL NOW MAY NOT BE ILLEGAL IN 10 YEARS. SO IF WE WANT TO HANG ONTO THE RIGHT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO FIGHT.

SO YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE ANTIS IS A GOOD STORY TO TELL, BUT ONLY IF IT MAKES SOME MORE OF US STAND UP AND SAY: ENOUGH OF THIS SHNIT!

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"Worry less, fish more."
Steve Foss
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[can it be luck?]

Similar to a float trip, drop off the hunters at thier stands, then park the vehicles on the other end of the woods as "decoys". Set out some trail marking tape to point the clowns in the right direction. The banging of the pots and pans will drive the deer to you. It'll be like a tiger hunt in India, beaters and all.

[This message has been edited by can it be luck? (edited 10-13-2003).]

[jlm]

I would have to disagree with some of your post. You are correct in saying that we all have the freedom of speech, I agree with that. However, when your freedom of speech interferes with the rights of others, it is considered against the law. If some jerk is on the road yelling and bangin pots to interfere with your hunt, it is VERY illegal. If it was not, why can't I stand in front of a hospital and bang a pot and yell, or sing "who let the dogs out" all night long in a state park where there are campers? Why can't I play my radio or trumpet on the sreet while they are having a funeral in the local cemetary? No need to answer! Just my thoughts!

[ATM]

" SO WHATS YOUR POINT?"
STFCATFISH, YOU ANSWERED THIS QUESTION WITH YOUR OWN POST. "IT'S WRONG. AND QUITE FRANKLEY, I THINK IT'S COWARDLY"

[barebackjack]

If someone on this sight can explain to me how banging pots and yelling out in the middle of a field is not hunter harassment and IS freedom of speech, I would like to hear the answer because if I am not totally ignorant I cant think of any other reason a person would be banging and yelling in the middle of field. Hunter harassment is covered in the hunting regulations handbook in case anyone didnt know that.

[Benny]

Maybe they were east Indians hunting Tigers?

Humor, Benny

[eats]

Well, last weekend passed without incident. No chanting, no pots, and no tigers. Lets hope the rest of the season goes smoothly.

[Mn Walleye 1976]

Yeah what a bunch of dump. I kinda have the same problems.

I have permission to hunt private land, all is fine until about an hour before dark. Then here comes the neighbor on his riding lawnmower cutting the propety line in the middle of the woods. I don't mind it because after that he hits the wood edge on his side and moves the deer back to me, I hope I havn't seen any deer when he does this. The part that gets annoying is when he hits the rock and kills the motor, he cusses and swears yet he hits them every time.

I have thought about sitting in the brush right next to the line and jump up when he comes by, but then he would probably have a heart attack being he is so old.

Then in the spring time he burns all the low land grasses, when all the baby animals are around. Does that make sense?

Maybe he is senile.

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[JP Z]

You know, instead of jumping out at him you could put up a sign saying "REMEMBER THE ROCK DUMMY!!!!"

[knoppers]

rights and freedom of speech. there also is a law about harrassing hunters.