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  1. To clarify, by outfitter I did not mean a guide but a BWCA outfitter who rents canoes and such. We have all our own Bdub gear and canoes but did not have enough packs for meat. They were also nice enough to let us park our freezer trailer at their business for the week. So the hunters rented 10 Duluth packs and bought 10 poly bags. I don't really agree with the post about cheese cloth and such. We placed a comfortable amount of meat (40-60lbs) in each poly bag which was inside a duluth pack and hauled them out. Sometimes we'd grab one and sometimes if you felt strong we'd front/back 2 packs. Either way I think it was easier than trying to wrap a quarter and carry it out on a frame. Realize that every quarter we stripped off the animal took 2 guys to throw on the tarp to debone. I went back to the site of the kill 2 days later just to relive it a little and because we were in such a rush to get out I didn't have time to take it all in. I grabbed one of the legs we'd deboned and held the hoof up to my forehead, the shoulder plate was touching the ground...I am 5'9". I wouldn't have wanted to try to wrap and try to keep clean that quarter while ducking it under branches and over fallen trees not to mention unneccessarily carry the weight of the bone out. Note that not all the meat can be tied to a frame. Back straps, tender loins, neck meat, etc. all is loose meat after it is cut off the moose so even if you plan to quarter you'll need a way to carry 2-3 bags of these cuts. We were carrying at night and it was about 28 degrees. By the time we hauled out the boned out moose, the previously mentioned 9 packs, in addition to the 1 gear pack and the trophy head it took us 4.5 hours. The meat was cool and clean in those bags. When we got to camp to sleep for 3 hours we left the bags in the bottoms of the canoes which were cool from the water and opened the tops to get the meat as close to 30 degrees as we could before we took off to haul it out. I agree with not having to go in very far. We only went in 12 miles because it took us almost 11 miles just to get to our zone and then we needed to find a south facing campsite (for maximum solar gain = warm most of the day). Just trying to make sure you think through everything. This was our first trip in to moose hunt the Bdub and we have to admit that we won't change much on our next trip in. Good luck!
  2. I helped on a successful moose hunt in the Bdub in '03. Our zone took 10.5 miles of paddling just to get to it. We went with 3 canoes, 6 guys, 3 packs per canoe. Each canoe had a pack of gear for each guy and a pack of food. Normally when in the Bdub we one-time the portages and carry pack and canoe all at once to prevent double backs. A moose trip is a different thing and double backing on portages is necessary. It was already said before but I would also recommend oatmeal, rice meals, noodle meals, jerky, etc. Don't bother buying wet items if you can help it...you want light. For instance, brown burger, dehydrate, buy dry spagetti sauce packet and small can of tomato paste instead of already made sauce to save on weight. Every ounce counts when you're portaging in. In addition to our packs the hunters rented 10 duluth packs and we had to use every single one! Please read on. Do like a previous poster recommended and shoot your moose in an easy location if at all possible. Off a lake (not swamp), on a portage, etc. We had gear in case of a mishap (block and tackle, 200 ft of rope, hip waders, etc) and fortunately we did not need them...but it was still alot of work.... I don't mean to scare you but you do need to be prepared. The moose we hauled out was shot on high ground just 5/8 mile off the water and a 1/2 mile from camp. Hunter and helper came out at dark and we had dinner. Took 45 minutes to walk in the dark thick woods to the moose. After pics I think we set a record and had the thing skinned, boned, and in Duluth packs in 1 hour and 45 minutes. By the way, don't bother gutting it...when your're finished cut a slit below the rib cage and reach up above the guts and cut out the tenderloins by feel...you can't miss them. In addition to the 9 packs of meat, 1 pack of knives, stone, lantern, etc. we had the 56" rack and head cut off to the back of the skull (~200 lbs) on a stretcher. We had 11 things to carry with 6 guys and the head took 2 guys. We doubled back over and over again and it took us 4.5 hours to get the load the 5/8 mile out of the woods and the short paddle back to camp. We slept 3 hours and left just after first light to paddle 12 miles out. It was day 3 when we left for the truck so we left camp setup because we all had the week off. Hunter and I hauled the meat to Ely to stow for the week in a freezer trailer we left with an outfitter. That evening we canoed back in 12 miles to meet up with the other 4 guys who had turned back when we had reached the entry point with the meat. We were all scrappy lads in our late 20's and it was definitely a testing 24 hours for us. But we will do it again. I just wanted to make sure you get a good perspective of how much easier your life will be if you prepare for the hunt and hunt smart. Good luck, feel free to ask on specifics.
  3. Have you tried starving them out at all? What we used to do with great success is first get them coming into the bait...it appears you've got that covered. Then, when hunting time came, we'd only put a little bait out. As an example, when I walk in to hunt my stand I'll bring a 5 gallon pail with a lid...but the pail is may 1/3 full. Usually during hunting we use something small for bait like grain....something they can't grab chunks of and walk out of the area with. When I approach my bait if it's covered I leave it and put the pail close to the tree I'm in. If the bait is cleaned out dump the 1/3 pail out and cover it up good with your logs. I'm not saying you're overbaiting because I don't know how you're hunting/baiting. But if you dump them 5 gallons of bait and leave it overnight they'll eat up when it's dark and wait until dark the next night. If you just leave them a nibble though they'll think they're competing against other bear...and may be in your case with those pictures...and eventually one will risk a food run during the daylight. There's a little risk in starving them. Since the number of permits and subsequently baits is much higher they have other sources for quick easy food. Also, the bumper crop of acorns this year is an easy food also. If they think the food is gone, they might not come back, but it's worth a try if they've gone nocturnal on you. Looks like they've showed up at least once during daylight. Anything different when you're in your stand? Are you really really clean? Usually they know you're there...especially if you're bow hunting them (0-15 yards from them). If the human scent is noticeably stronger to then they get nervous. I've always been a real stickler for keeping clean and I've still shot bear that flapped the jowles at me trying to pull in a good whiff and locate me. Good luck!
  4. I elected to shorten a barrel just for grouse and woodcock. Grouse and woodcock are not clay pidgeons and they don't plant you in a pile of prickly ash at the range when they fire their grouse targets. With a short barrel, I don't care if my swing is bad...there is no 'swinging'. I just need to get in rough proximity in the mere second or so that you have to get a shot and pull the trigger. The pattern I get out of the short barrel is huge so I just need to be close and because it's so large, those common 10-15 yard shots don't mangle the bird. If the birds travel 10 yards after taking off they're likely no longer visible in the thick stuff we find them in...so we don't have time to 'swing'. It takes a little getting used to but I don't miss many birds so it does work. Way easier to throw a short gun up and through brambles and wait-a-minute bushes to get a shot than it is to try and toss up 28" of barrel...not to mention just toting a gun through it. I'd never use the short barrel on the range or for any other bird but for grouse and woodcock I'll take the Pepsi challenge any day.
  5. I've been fortunate enough in my 20-some odd years of fishing to not have hooked myself. But, I do have to pass on a story I heard second-hand about a few old friends of mine...mostly because I was in stitches when they told me. So the two brothers were fishing a large lake in northern MN when the younger brother buries a rapala in the top of his head. Now, I don't know that I can do this duo justice in text, but I can tell you that these two are something else. Comical and whimsical do nothing for explaining this pair and this story is only fitting for them. So they assess the situation. Fortunately, the guy at the time kept his head nearly shaved bald so it was easy to see that all three hooks on one trebel, yes I said on a SINGLE trebel, all three barbs were buried! The irony of this alone started my laughing... Well, the two decide that this isn't going to happen on the water and decide to take it back to shore. Well...as luck would have it, there was something of a squall on the lake that day...and if I recall, they were something like 30 minutes from camp. So they fire up the 40 hp on the 16' Sea Nymph and give'er. As you can imagine, this boat was bounding about in the whitecaps and the pair had to hang on just to stay on their seats. Unfortunately, this meant the rapala was free to flop around atop this guys head. Well finally, at some point, he had to decide to free up a hand to hold this rapala. So now you have two guys leaning forward ducking spray and topping waves as fast as a 40 hp force can move a boat with one guy who looks like he's making the 'rock' of rock paper scissors atop his head. So they make it back finally and head to the Bemidge hospital where they remove the hooks without incident. However, when the doc hangs the lure up on their corkboard wall of shame, the at the time college kid asks him to please remove it and give it back...cause that thing cost like $5! The doc did give it back and back to the lake they went. I wish I could have seen them coming across the lake. To this day I chuckle thinking about it.
  6. Grouse... I carry an 870 Express I bought an extra used barrel for and sawed off at 18.175". It's nice because you can just throw up and pull the trigger. You have to be so quick with grouse that it helps quite a bit in the thick areas you can find them in. Also, when they're close it doesn't just blow them to shreds when you hit them. If you have a flushing dog it's not a good choice. I use this gun for creeping along in the woods slowly and quietly. Comes in nice when you hit that jackpot covey now and again. It used to be that the minimum barrel length was 18". Come to think I should check again to make sure I'm still okay so don't take my word on that length just yet.
  7. You might Riverrat, may be class warfare in essence, but the class of folks I would be waging war against would be those people who are completely unaware and unconcerned of their fellow fisherman next to them on the water. Unfortunately, 9 times in 10 they are the guys with the tricked out boats...probably the same guys that plug up the landings on opening morning because they didn't give their boat a once over. I realize I might be stereotyping a bit, but hey, if I can get 1 person here to think about the guy on the water next to him this weekend when he plans his course at full throttle and picks his spot, then we've made a little progress in terms of proper watercraft etiquette. You upgraded as necessity it seems...didn't mean for you to take offense. I would probably too if I had kids...but I have a chocolate lab...and she doesn't care if it has carpet or not. A fisherman loves to be comfortable with his rig and with kids, more room = comfort. But I bet maybe you and your kids can both outfish these clowns I speak of? If I were to wage war against a class of people who have advanced themselves financially through determination and hard work, I would be judging and guilty myself as well. Just want people to think about others while on the lake...oh, and that I still think the fellas rollin' along in the tin cans out there catch most of the fish. No hard feelings I hope.
  8. Boilerguy...so you have a new Sea King! Ha! I think mine is like serial #2. Outdoor...funny you mention the casings. I never clean my boat in the fall because by the time I pull it from the water it has a cat-tailcicle a few inches deep in the bottom complete with many empties. I just pressure washed her out...that funky stench prematurely kicks in the anxiety for the upcoming season!
  9. Felt obligated to put my $.02 in for this season. I just got back yesterday from hunting all 7 days of season G. As you probably know, it was 7 days of rain, wind and quite cold for the first few. Not real conducive to hunting the wiley birds. In a nutshell, here's the deal. This was my 6th season. Prior to this season I was 5 for 5 hunting either season G or H. I felt like I had these late season birds down pat with my last one weighing in at 23.5 lbs, 9.5" beard and 1 3/8" long spurs. I hunt in an area with quite a few birds. I wish I would have logged all of my hunts from seasons past because I have to say that my average daily count of birds is probably 15 birds per day. That would include when the hunts ended at noon each day and we'd glass fields in the afternoon. We'd see 30-50 birds a day back then. I saw 11 birds over the past 7 days hunting from 4:00 in the morning to 5:00 in the afternoon with only an hour for lunch. I heard up to 8 different gobblers on a few of the mornings, but only saw 3 toms. I was able to work a few within 30 yards in wooded bluff country and never saw them. I had a jake at 10 yards but let him pass as I hoped for a sunny day. The wind is probably the toughest condition as sounds don't travel well and the birds seem edgy. I hope it calms down a bit for you season H folks. That's why they call it hunting!
  10. Sorry for the delayed response...been turkey hunting/finding better ways to turn my body pruney for the past 7 days! Actually, since you're outta Wilmar, you may have met one of the local CO's from around our area. His name is Brian Mies, he's the one that first told me about it and from there I began reading up on it on my own. Like I said, the past few years you'd probably never see a problem. But if the snow is deep, they will eat up their browse in a hurry and they'll have a hard time pawing up alfalfa...that's when they can get in trouble with a stomach full of corn. Even though deer may be feeding on corn every night in the fall they are likely getting an equal amount of green vegetation with the corn. Once fall and snow arrive and they start eating browse and the corn is taken away their digestive system tailors itself to browse. A sudden change at that point is when it can harm them. Especially if the combines have taken the corn in October and feeders aren't stocked until say December. I'm not part of Pheasants Forever, but I'm guessing that has something to do with why the corn pheasant feeders are wire mesh to small for a deer to jump into and too deep for them to stick their head in. Not a big deal, you just need to mix the green feed with corn to make sure you never harm them.
  11. I think you guys will get a kick outta this one. I got rid of my old 16' fishing boat a few years back as I picked up a 14' aluminum 1948 Sea King. Boat, 9.9hp Merc, and trailer...$200. I'll tell you it wasn't pretty, but hey, I was painting it marsh grass in color so who cares right! So I drilled the rivets out of the enclosed bow and open her up, new transom, paint, she was ready to roll. Well, like I said, I sold the fishing boat, so this is my rig now. And I fish alot...I live on the Clearwater chain. I put a 25hp Johnson on for fishing and she scoots good enough for me. Since most of the time it's just me, it's easy because there's less 'stuff' to worry about and it's much more responsive. My favorite thing....jiggin' walleyes. I love it when some toad in a $30,000+ boat pulls in on me disregarding my relic of a boat thinking he's there to show me how to fish. Now I know we all own the lakes but when you're trolling one direction and a boat stops close and in that path, it's plain old uncalled for in my eye. So I'll keep traveling while saying a prayer to the fish gods...and I stare them down as I set the hook and land a walleye never turning away from my friendly neighbor until the fish comes aboard. Then I'll hang around and pull a few more and watch them struggle to get a bite while thinking they should have spent more on learning how to fish and less on their boat while hoping their thinking the same. I'm really against the commercialization of outdoor activities in case you couldn't tell. I'm not poor and could afford a nice fishing rig, but why, what I have works great...and I'm so thankful to have what I own because there are plenty of other folks out who aren't as fortunate. Another example...I've gone turkey hunting 5 times, and killed 5 birds...with a $20 used single shot 12ga I bought when I was 14. I have more expensive pump shotguns (meaning Remington Express) maybe better suited for turkey, but I do it to prove a point...it's not the gun. So to the guys who try to buy their way into successful fishing and hunting I say, put your mouth where your money is. Until then, I'll be the guy in the marsh grass '48 "Sea King" netting another off your starboard.
  12. You beat me to it Blackjack, that's how I designed mine...with an 'antler bar'. The bucks will get in there fine before they drop them, it just takes a bump when feeding to knock a loose antler off. One thing I wanted to mention reading these posts, it seems many of you fellas feed strictly corn. I would not recommend this. In speaking with a few CO's and doing some research a number of years ago before I made my first feeder it ends up I found that straight corn is very tough on a deer's digestive system and can kill them. The past few winters haven't been bad in southern half of MN so the deer have plenty of other browse to mix with the corn. I was told by a CO that corn fed deer are at a health risk when snow levels are very high and they end up eating only one type of food from a feeder...especially if this occurs suddendly like after a blizzard. I found a source that explains this better...here is part of it "Feeding deer hay or corn can kill them, because they cannot always digest it. Deer digestion involves protozoa and bacteria that help break down food. Different micro-organisms help digest different types of vegetation. If a deer has been feeding on aspen or willows, it has built up the micro-organisms that digest only this kind of vegetation. If this same deer suddenly fills its stomach with corn or hay, it may not have enough of the corn- and hay-digesting micro-organisms in its stomach to digest the food. A deer can starve to death with a full stomach." Source: http://www.montana.edu/wwwpb/reso/toughlov.html The main thing is if you like/want to feed deer. Do it wisely. Mix the deer pellets that you can buy cheap at graineries, the man's mall, etc. and mix them with corn, oats, soybeans, etc. They need a smooth transition in order to build up their digestive system for different foods. That's why bowhunters often get to witness the change in scat as fall progresses and lush green vegetation becomes scarce the 'look' and 'taste' (kidding) of their scat changes from piles to pellets.
  13. Just make sure you set some money aside for glass. I think someone may have mentioned this but a rifle is only as good as it's scope (and operator of course). I lucked out and found my Remington bolt action 7mm used in pristine condition for $325. I paid around $450 for the scope I put on it. Don't regret it a bit. I could tell you a story about a $200 scope, that came with a used 22-250 I bought, that really put in in a predicament and left me unpleased but I'll spare you the details unless you really want to hear them. Lastly, I know you were sort of set on either a 7mm or 30-06. But if you wanted say a 30 caliber rifle that has ballistics even better than the 7mm keep your mind open to the 300 WSM...recoil will be similar to the 7mm. My dad found a 300 WSM in stainless barrel/laminate stock version with a 3x9 Leupold VX-II setup for I want to say $500 a few years back. I know it wasn't more than $600 out the door. I also would extend to you a shooting session with both my 7mm and 30-06 if you're near Annandale.
  14. Just felt like I was being setup ScoutII...maybe I was out of line. I just had recalled at the time a recent post of yours... "DON"T go with the 7mm magnum, the balistics are to fast will not penetrate a MOOSES hide. I know there were 5 bullets just sitting in the hide. Now a 30-06 is slower and will penetrate. That was the caliber that took the moose down. That is my experiance with moose and rifles." I may have been wrong to assume you were going to jump down my throat but a post like the one above and the way you worded the post to me told me to put my guard up. Anyway, that being said, I don't happen to agree and would still stick with the 7mm for moose.
  15. ScoutII, I've shot 0 moose with my 7mm. Just trying to give the guy a rough idea of what rifle (of the two in question) I personally would choose for different types of game if I were asked my opinion. I would choose the 7mm for elk/moose as it will carry more velocity than the 30-06 when comparing any equal bullet mass and hence carry more energy. I guess I haven't researched what bullet I would use if I were to go on a moose hunt but I imagine it would be a partition, or trophy bonded bullet. I was along on a moose hunt 11.5 miles into the BWCA. My bud shot #3 in the state in '03, 56" bull with his 300 WSM. The 300 WSM is very similar (slightly better) to the 7mm ballistically and it did an excellent job. The moose went about 30 yards. I'm not here for an argument if that's what you're looking for. The guy wanted opinions, so he got my $.02.
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