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  1. For one, it would be nearly impossible to prove because you'd have to ask if they've broken the law. I do hear that one a lot and here’s what I think. I base what I say after working a variety of check stations (restaurants, sporting stores, gas stations) throughout the state over the last 9 deer seasons. I truly believe the vast majority of deer get counted (registered). The issue is the carcass is not present at time of registration. More times than I can count, I've seen a person walk in with a handful of stubs and walk out with a handful of possession tags. Technically, it's a violation because the deer wasn't present. Realistically, the deer gets counted in the end. So, when I hear "deer aren't being registered", what I really see is deer are registered but they're hanging in a garage. Fundamentally, I have to believe there’s a small increase in compliance with the new system; however, I thought compliance was very high to begin with so any increase should be marginal. Again, by compliance I mean the carcass gets counted, not that it’s physically present at the station. I know everyone has a story about the deer that never gets registered but when you put 200K+ in the bag every year a few won’t get registered. Most do … individuals vs. populations. I think populations.
  2. The intent of this post is not to debate metal tags vs. sticky tags vs. paper tags (keyword: ziptie) vs. making the station owner inspect your deer. I've heard from many people that this change will result in gaming, people not knowing what they're registering, and people not registering at all. You'd swear the world was turned upside down because people can now use the phone to register their deer. When this was rolled out, I said those who cheat will cheat regardless of the system in place (read kitchen tags, shooting deer for youth hunters in lottery areas). We see violations every year at deer check stations and we'll continue to see them regardless of regulations, bag limits, or season structure. Some people do bad things; however, the data below indicates the vast majority don't do bad things. In comparing the registration methods (walk-in, phone, internet) by both archery and gun you can see below IT'S THE SAME DATA. I did remove the areas where phone/internet were not active (SE, TB area). There are no differences in deer type based on registration method even when you break it out by season. The person who misidentifies a doe fawn at Gander Mountain will misidentify a doe fawn on the internet. In fact, you could almost argue that walk-in stations are less accurate because the person running the terminal call button bucks adults (yes, I've seen that a lot when working stations). The bottom line is we’ll register over 200,000 deer this year and some of them will be in the wrong area, some will be of the wrong type, and some will be of the wrong season. However, when N=200,000, it’s really hard to say those errors make a difference in the grand scheme of things. They just don’t. Granted, I’m looking at it from the population-level perspective and everyone else is looking at it from the individual perspective. There’s nothing wrong with that but if I looked at it as an individual, I wouldn’t be doing my job. The take home is the new methods (phone, internet) work just as well as the old method (walk-in). Again, I’m not going to debate the first sentence of this post, I just wanted to share the numbers and clarify some of the wild perceptions that are out there. Trust me, if it didn’t look the same between methods, we’d re-evaluate continuing phone/internet. If someone knows how to make the percentages look like a table, let me know. I couldn’t figure it out. Archery (Sept. 18 - Nov. 5) N= 12,500 Method %Buck &Buck Fawn %Doe %Doe Fawn Walk-In 36% 8% 48% 8% Internet 34% 11% 46% 9% Phone 34% 11% 46% 8% Gun (Nov. 6 - 21, N =153,000 Method %Buck &Buck Fawn %Doe %Doe Fawn Walk-In 54% 8% 31% 7% Internet 51% 11% 30% 8% Phone 51% 11% 30% 8%
  3. I only use 75g of fffg under a 275g maxi-hunter in my flintlock. You'll have to re-sight the gun in but you'll be fine with the lower powder load.
  4. It's called a bonus permit. The question was regarding leftover either-sex permits in lottery deer areas.
  5. So many they're giving them away might be a stretch but here goes ... there are leftover lottery permits in some areas. There are every year. You can get one of these permits, valid for that area and that season only, and there is no additional cost beyond the deer license. You can only have one so if you were successful in the regular lottery, you won't be able to grab one of the permits. It's really no different than making an application before the September deadline. Other than the deer license, there is no fee to make a an application. However, you must either have or purchase a deer license before getting the either-sex permit. The permit is the exact same thing you'd get if you had applied in September. It's not an extra deer; rather, it allows you to take an antlerless deer in that lottery area. Again, no different from the regular lottery that started around 1975. The only difference is a couple years ago, the surplus permits were put over-the-counter. In years past, they were just burned. Instructions and the a list of leftover permits is located here: Leftover DNR lottery permits Look under 'SURPLUS ANTLERLESS PERMITS' To answer your other question, just because there are leftover permits doesn't mean your buddy isn't done in lottery areas - he is. The bag limit is still one per year. Remember, the vast majority of people gun hunt and they buy their license Thu/Fri. The permits will all go in the next couple of days.
  6. No problem. I've always I value the high standard this board places on information exchange and the high quality of the members. But, it's really 2,500 combinations of the same 4 questions
  7. Can I be the final answer? I've always wanted to say that .. Trigger, Jameson, and Bear are correct. Also, the CO gave a perfect answer and if he/she are reading this, thanks! Thanks also to you guys who clarify some of the information that's out there. I'll say again that I get the fact that it can be confusing if you hunt different areas and different seasons. However, that's the tradeoff to getting to hunt different areas and different seasons.
  8. You are entirely correct. In fact, when this came up last year, I revised the information booklet that I write every year (it's posted here several times) to include specific examples of bag limit permutations. I'll cut and paste it below but will also add that I get it can be confusing if you move around a lot. However, there's no fix to that other than to not allow you to move around or set the bag limits equal across the state, which would never work. Thus, you're stuck with knowing how many deer you can kill in whatever ever area you hunting, even if you don't agree with the bag limit. Here's the text: Bag Limits Bag limits can be confusing if you move around a lot and take deer in more than one area. However, the licensing system is designed to provide for maximum flexibility and allows people to travel and hunt statewide. The trade-off for this flexibility is time spent learning how many deer you can take in an area. The licensing structure is designed to allow for the over-harvest of deer in local areas and it is the hunter’s responsibility to know the bag limit for the areas they hunt. The alternative to flexibility is to limit the number and type of licenses a person can buy, which is the opposite of what hunters have requested. Below is a general explanation of statewide bag limits and what you can and cannot do. • Only one buck is allowed per calendar year, without exception. • Although you can buy 3 licenses, the bag limits for individual areas may not allow you to fill all 3 licenses. • Most Minnesota deer hunters only tag 1 deer. In 2009 individual hunters tagged: o 1 deer – 86% o 2 deer – 12% o 3 deer – 1.5% o 4 deer – 0.4% o 5 deer – 0.1% • The total allowable bag limit for youth antlerless, lottery, managed, and intensive areas is 5 deer. • Deer area limits are as follows: o Youth Only Antlerless – 1 buck for adults, 1 either-sex deer for youth who are successful in the lottery. Unsuccessful youth or those who don’t apply are limited to one buck o Lottery – 1 deer per year in 1 lottery area. o Managed – 2 deer per year, using any combination of licenses and permits. o Intensive – 5 deer per year, using any combination of licenses and permits. o Early Antlerless – 2 extra antlerless deer during this season. o Metro and Bovine TB – unlimited number of antlerless deer. • You can mix and match seasons, areas, and permit types to reach fill your tags. • Bonus permits are not allowed in any youth-only antlerless or lottery areas. • Examples of what you CAN do: o 1 lottery, 2 managed, 2 intensive = 5. o 1 lottery, 1 managed, 3 intensive = 5. o 1 managed, 4 intensive = 5. o 5 intensive, 2 early antlerless = 7 (yes, you can do this). • Examples of what you CAN’T do: o 1 lottery, 1 youth only. o 2 lottery. o 2 youth only. o 2 managed, 4 intensive = 6. o 3 managed. • Important points: o You can only take 1 deer in any one lottery or youth antlerless area. In other words, you can’t kill deer in 2 different lottery or youth only areas. o You can take up to 2 deer total in any 2 managed areas. In other words, you can’t kill 2 deer in 3+ different managed areas. o You can take up to 5 deer in any of the intensive areas. Again, mix and match but don’t exceed the general limit. I hope that helps.
  9. Sorry, just saw the post but it looks like the question was answered - yes. The limit is 2, doesn't matter what type or combination of licenses are used. It was changed this year because not allowing 2 BP's in a managed area had been an oversight (if the bag limit is 2, who cares what license types are used?). To be honest, it was the conversation on this board last year that precipitated the change.
  10. Wait a minute, does this mean we can't chase more than one buck?? Because, I've been training all summer and have improved my 50 yd dash time by a full 2 seconds. All this is just too confusing for me Okay, that's funny. Really funny.
  11. Okay, I've resisted chiming in because every one of you gave the correct answer. The question came into our info center, they answered it correctly, and then forwarded the 'chase' response to me. Here is my response verbatim (name omitted) as it really warranted a response. I really hope it clears up this issue once and for all: XXX, I’m afraid you’re mistaken. By saying you can ‘hunt bucks’, we are saying you can hunt the population of male deer in Minnesota. However, you can only kill 1 buck. It in no way says, implies, or insinuates you can kill more than one. As you probably know, the word ‘deer’ is both singular and plural. You see one deer, two deer, a lot of deer. In the case of male deer, the word buck is singular meaning one. The word bucks is plural meaning more than one. If we worded the sentence in the singular form, such as ‘you can hunt buck throughout your selected season …’, the sentence would be 1) grammatically incorrect, and 2) incorrect from the standpoint you could only hunt 1 buck in the state. As Minnesota has thousands of bucks (male deer) available to hunt (although you can only kill 1 of them), it would be incorrect to use the singular form of the noun. As for the word chase, that is also incorrect. You don’t chase deer. You hunt them. Saying you can ‘chase’ bucks in the regulations book would be incorrect is so many ways, I don’t think I could articulate them all. To put this issue to rest, the regulations books is worded both appropriately and correctly. In summation, you can hunt male deer (bucks) throughout your selected season (A or but you can only harvest (kill) one of them. I hope that clears up your confusion. Good luck this season, Lou
  12. You need to buy both by today, yes. Buying the 3 tags and being done in lottery areas after killing 1 deer hasn't changed. It's always been that way. The only change is you can now apply using both licenses. Either way, you're not out the other 2 tags. While you can't kill another deer in a lottery area (again, that hasn't changed), you can still party hunt or kill deer in managed or intensive areas. Since all licenses are pretty much statewide now you're not restricted to any permit area (or zone for that matter). The reason areas have an either-sex permit quota is to limit antlerless, not increase it by letting people use multiple licenses. That was allowed when the all-season license existed and we're still trying to recover some deer populations in the SW. Now that we have the ability to hunt all 3 seasons, there are trade-offs. I know I say that a lot but you can now hunt deer during more seasons and for a longer period of time than ever before. That added opportunity means you may have restrictions on the number or type of deer you can take or where you can take them. I hope that answers your questions.
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