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State Furlough Days

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Wondering if anyone has an update. On a side note, our company just gave us 4 for the year and no raise. Anyone else in the same boat??

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my company went thru one week furloughs for all employees in March. I think they might do it again later this year.

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I'm half time as of last week, hopefully not for long, but I am not holding my breath.... smile At least the ice is coming off the lakes wink

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As of this weeks negotiating sessions, the Governor still wants to furlough state employees for up to 24 days a year without pay or choice of days off. I don't think working people can afford to lose a months pay a year. Most think this will not fly, but you never know.

They also want to cut 1100 regular jobs and no management ones - (go figure)

The state has a 50 million dollar surplus in the health care budget for state employees over and above what it costs, but insists it still wants to raise the cost even more for benefits or out of pocket expenses. They also want to force employees to go to clinics the state chooses.

I believe most State employees will see no raises this next 2 years, which will make it 4 years out of 6 with none while we all know how much everything has gone up in price.

State employees didn't get Minnesota into the mess they are in, but it always seems the easy way out to fix it.

From increased sales taxes to gas taxes - I find it still hard to believe the fine citizens of this state keep electing the same free spending officials time and time again.

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From increased sales taxes to gas taxes - I find it still hard to believe the fine citizens of this state keep electing the same free spending officials time and time again.

Couldn't agree more!!

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How many folks get more than they pay? More than half?

Huh? In the way of what would half get more than they pay? I know I don't. If you own a home or any type of property, car, boat, whatnot and then have a decent job. You pay out the nose.

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I was referring to those that get more from the state than they pay in taxes. How many folks pay little or nothing and collect from programs ranging from education to general assistance to medicaid etc etc.

Review the state budget and where the money goes and see if you are one who receives or one who pays.

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Gotcha delcecchi, I was hoping that was what you meant and I agree with you. Just kinda seamed like it was a broad statement at first.

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...I find it still hard to believe the fine citizens of this state keep electing the same free spending officials time and time again.

The state senator from the district I live in was paid $31,140 in 2007. That doesn't seem like a whole lot, it would be a little less than $15/hour if it was broken down by a 40 hour work week. In addition to that he got $18,846 for per diem, $12,583.35 for mileage(if they were paid $0.50/mile, which would be high, that would mean he charged the state for over 25,000 miles crazy) and $17,896.14 for "Other compensation". All told that is just a hair over $80,465 (salary & additional compensation).

http://extras.twincities.com/car/perdiem/perdiem.htm

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And that's if you broke it down by a 40 hour work week. How many weeks are they actually in session?

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seems to me 80 grand isn't very much for such an important job. And lets not forget that just because they are out of session it doesnt mean they aren't doing their job

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seems to me 80 grand isn't very much for such an important job. And lets not forget that just because they are out of session it doesnt mean they aren't doing their job

Not much money confused dont they do it as a public service?

I would love to think what a teacher, nurse, etc,., should get paid in your world blush

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"Best Buy slashing wages, eliminating jobs in stores" quoted from the StarTribune. Again, please tell me why government employees cry are immune from these actions we endure every day in the private workforce?

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"Best Buy slashing wages, eliminating jobs in stores" quoted from the StarTribune. Again, please tell me why government employees cry are immune from these actions we endure every day in the private workforce?

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My wife works for the state at the U of M. I'll tell you that they are not immune to the economy. You may think its business as usual but I can tell you its just not the case. So far they have avoided layoffs atleast major layoffs but I know my wifes department is operating grossly understaffed becuase they can't hire anyone and I'm sure thats a pretty common issue all over the place.

Raises have always been pretty meager to start with but they are gone for the next 2 years for sure, possibly longer. Departments are seeing their budgets slashed with the expectation that the same programs can be run for half the money. Right now they seem to be trying to avoid layoffs by cutting money from the programs first, although if programs start failing staff reductions will likely follow.

It might not be readily apparent through the media but state atleast some state employees are feeling the crunch just as much as anyone else. They are in no way immune to it.

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Nofish, I believe it's the lower rung of the ladder that is feeling the crunch as it usually is. The folks that are passing these taxes will be keeping their pay I'm sure and probably voting for another pay raise.

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Its always the lower run that pays in the end.

I think if the upper levels are preaching budget cuts then they need to be first in line.

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Originally Posted By: Cast A Way
...I find it still hard to believe the fine citizens of this state keep electing the same free spending officials time and time again.

The state senator from the district I live in was paid $31,140 in 2007. That doesn't seem like a whole lot, it would be a little less than $15/hour if it was broken down by a 40 hour work week. In addition to that he got $18,846 for per diem, $12,583.35 for mileage(if they were paid $0.50/mile, which would be high, that would mean he charged the state for over 25,000 miles crazy) and $17,896.14 for "Other compensation". All told that is just a hair over $80,465 (salary & additional compensation).

http://extras.twincities.com/car/perdiem/perdiem.htm

I just love looking at the perdiem payments and try to figure out why the metro legislaters have such high compensation when compared to the outstate legislaters. It's an unsolvable riddle. confused

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Its always the lower run that pays in the end.

I think if the upper levels are preaching budget cuts then they need to be first in line.

I, for once, agree with you 100% on that post! shocked

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I figure we were bound to agree sooner or later. With over 12,000 posts between the two of us the laws of probability had to catch up at some point.

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The latest:

State employees work hard!

State employees are one of the leanest and most productive government workforces in the nation.

Only 11 states have fewer state and county workers per 10,000 residents than Minnesota.

We provide the services that people need most during tough times.

By making taxes fair, the Governor and Legislature can keep state workers on the job.

Ask state leaders to make taxes fair, preserve public services, and keep state workers on the job.

The union successfully removed the threat

of unpaid overtime and scheduling take-backs, which

would have cost members a total of

$4 million in lost pay. For example, the state

wanted to make it easier to work employees

longer than 8 hours a day without paying them

overtime. The union defeated those proposals

and the harmful proposals to extend

probationary periods and add more tools for

management to discipline workers.

While the union has made progress on

workplace fairness, the state continues to

demand concessions on wages and insurance.

The state still wants to:

Cut wages 1.5% the 1st year.

Cut wages 1.5% the 2nd year.

Eliminate step increases.

Force employees to take unpaid leave.

Shift more of the health care costs to employees.

A fair contract would:

Preserves jobs.

Prevents forced furloughs.

Pays step increases both years.

The goal is to have a tentative contract sometime this or next week.

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don't you think pay step increases is a bit much to ask for when they are looking to cut wages currently?

also MAN does that 8 hour day thing get in the way of actual field work... worked with a DNR guy last year who couldn't work more than 8 hour days and it just killed productivity in the field

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The step increases are given for job performance/years of service and amount to roughly 33 cents or less per hour per year. They can be more depending on years of service. Some state employees wait sometimes 5 to 7 years to reach a fair living wages.

Currently, state law - yes state law prohibits state employees from working without pay.

I'm sure not many people out there would like to work for nothing.

In many cases, the employees affected by the above proposed cuts would lose anywhere from $2,000 to upwards of potentially $9,000 dollars over a two year period.

I don't see many again that can afford that kind of wage cut, especially when everything is going up in cost.

Remember that state employees didn't create the budget mess.

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[PoorWordUsage] than we could afford. ALso, delphi auto told/made/forced their employees to take a 50% pay cut, Ford has restructered their contract so new employees start at $12-14 an hour. The fact is state workers should NOT be left out of the ax as well. After all, how do you expect someone who just lost their job to continue to pay the escalating property taxes, gas taxes, income tax (yes their is tax on Unemployement) sales tax, etc.,et.,etc.

By the way your years of service...must be nice to get a raise without proving a dammm thing. Also I'm in a UNION and I cant stand the fact that everyone gets paid the same. Why the hell should I work harder, study harder with no personal gain. Oh well, I guess that's what we call socialisim! :sick

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Something is going on with the posting..my point to the first sentence was the employees at NWA, 3M, Boeing, Ford, GM, Yahoo etc.,. didn't bring this mess on either. Or did we because we bought too much stuff and couldn't afford it all.

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