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Repeal the Outdoors Amendment?

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From the Jordan Independent:

Buesgens offers 'buyer's remorse' bill on arts, outdoors amendment

By Mathias Baden

Created 03/24/2009 - 12:12pm

A press release from the office of state Rep. Mark Buesgens:

ST PAUL –- Minnesota state Rep. Mark Buesgens, R-Jordan, this week introduced House File 1762, legislation that aims to repeal last year’s passage of the sales tax increase for arts and outdoors projects.

The bill, which if approved, would place a question on the November 2010 ballot that asks voters, “Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to remove the sales and use tax rate increase that began July 1, 2009?”

“I think it’s fair to say that last year’s sales tax increase and the resulting fight for the declining pot of taxpayer dollars that it created has been revolting to watch,” said Buesgens. “The legislative and political food fights between various arts and outdoors groups are becoming an almost daily occurrence around the Capitol. We have committee hearings running past midnight, pleading editorials in local papers and desperate hand wringing at press conferences, all because these groups know their projects would never see a dime if they had to go through a legitimate legislative funding process.

“I doubt Minnesota sportsmen had any idea that their outdoors and natural environment money was going to be used for, among other things, a million-dollar metro-area dog park, spending $150 million on windows and tuckpointing to rehab an historic hotel that is currently worth $55 million, or funding a museum to help teach Russians how to find Minnesota on a map.”

House File 1762 was introduced on Monday, March 16, and was referred to the cultural and outdoor resources finance division. A hearing has not yet been scheduled.

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Senate File 1717 is the companion bill so there is support in each body of the legislature.

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maybe I am wrong, but I thought the whole point/counterpoint on the amendment was, that since it was a constitutional amendment if passed it stayed in effect for so many years.

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Nope. Any amendment can be repealed by the vote of the people.

There is an expiration date on the amendment though if the people don't vote it out before then.....

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So the amendment is causing the legislaters to work harder? Having to listen to the people? Please. If they don't want to represent the people of Minnesota, if they don't want to work for the people of Minnesota, please don't run for office.

Sorry I voted to make your job harder. This is a bunch of bull!

If this bill didn't pass, their would be absolutely no funding of any kind for anything related to the outdoors, environment, or clean water this year.

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If the bill didn't pass then I guess when times are tough non-essential things such as metro dog parks don't get purchased! That shouldn't be a difficult decision or concept to comprehend. If a person's checking account is running low they probably don't go out and buy a new flat screen TV, or shouldn't anyway if they're smart.

We can't have EVERYTHING, ALL the time. People need to understand what the word "priorities" means.....especially when they're spending the public's money that right now should be staying in their pockets where it can do the individual the most good instead of buying trash cans for Fido's mistakes.

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Boy Limit have you got that right. I would hope in these times we are not contemplating dog parks and the things mentioned. It all comes down to the politicians. If they are so out of touch to consider or argue for these things, we're all in trouble anyway. How did common sense go completely out the window?

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I have to believe that these are extreem examples that this guy is using. Most of this money will be going to very worthwhile outdoor projects and let us not forget, that the people of MN "voted" this amendment into law, by a very wide margin.

Never believe a politition who

has nothing but his own agenda on his mind. The people of MN have already spoken on this amendment, at the ballot box.

"Ace"

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That's a shame. I was hoping Representative Buesgens would join me post-reclamation to do some trout fishing on the Vermillion river, or on the 1K acres of WMAs that would be acquired, or perhaps to chase a few 'ruffies across the 187K acres permanently in publicly accessible easement in Itasca county. But that's only if he and the rest of his colleagues can approve of the LOHC recommendations. You know, he could do his job and weed out the dog park, but it's easier to throw the baby out with the bath water by repealing the whole state-approved amendment I guess crazy

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hehehehehehe! saw this arguement coming before it was voted on what took them so long. Maybe pandering without being noticed?

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Never believe a politition who

has nothing but his own agenda on his mind.

That my friend is the majority of them.

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Politicians are like Diapers...and both should be changed often for the same reasons.

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That's a shame.

The shame is the selfishness of this amendment and the way people support it, all the while being a regressive tax that is pinching those the most who can afford it the least. I hope that the "whopping" 56% who voted for it can sleep better at night knowing they'll have a place to hunt and fish while others who are struggling to get by, and maybe even still have a job if they're lucky, pay for it. Doesn't sound like Minnesota "Nice" to me.

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That's a shame.

The shame is the selfishness of this amendment and the way people support it, all the while being a regressive tax that is pinching those the most who can afford it the least. I hope that the "whopping" 56% who voted for it can sleep better at night knowing they'll have a place to hunt and fish while others who are struggling to get by, and maybe even still have a job if they're lucky, pay for it. Doesn't sound like Minnesota "Nice" to me.

Amen Limit.

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I agree with limit. Now was not the time to be building parks, adding arts. I was for improving clean water, we need that, but they put too much junk in the bill.

And when folks are loosing jobs left and right, is that the time to raise sales tax or gas tax?

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Now was not the time to be building parks, adding arts. I was for improving clean water, we need that, but they put too much junk in the bill.

Can you point out the "junk"?

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Maybe we should vote to repeal the sales tax that is helping to fund the Twins stadium as well cause we sure as heck don't need that in this economy either.

The Vikings are still looking for their handout, lets stop 'em dead in their tracks cause Lord knows none of us can afford to go to a game there anymore.

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You know what they say about one man’s junk wink

We knew going in that some of these funds would be directed towards the Arts. I don’t care what it is that money is spent on, it’s going there anyways. I could care less how they use it. Spend the whole works erecting a giant pile of pooh for all I care.

Fact of the matter, is that it was passed by a majority, let’s move forward please.

I usually see eye to eye with Rep Buesgens on issues but if we are worried about wasting money, then why waste more fighting this thing back and forth?

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“I doubt Minnesota sportsmen had any idea that their outdoors and natural environment money was going to be used for, among other things, a million-dollar metro-area dog park, spending $150 million on windows and tuckpointing to rehab an historic hotel that is currently worth $55 million, or funding a museum to help teach Russians how to find Minnesota on a map.”

For some reason I tend not to believe hyperbole coming from politicians. What exactly is this $150M for "windows & tuckpointing"? Is this another urban legend or does the original poster have some information on this? Just curious!

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Time to lighten up on the amendment people. Lots of curmudgeons are going to be hearing the other side of the choir singing back "I told you so" when this thing gets passed by the house and senate and money hits the ground. It's over, it passed, by all means be harsh about funding choices...those that passed the amendment will join you in that endeavor...but to continually and stubbornly denigrate something that would have taken years to fund otherwise....I won't ever get it.

Well, I guess it goes back to the fact that I didn't see a lot of other choices from those against the amendment. Unless you can convince the entire state to join PF, DU, MDHA, RGS, etc. etc. and tithe to these organizations, you were never going to see money of that volume with any regularity. I guess because there had to be some compromises and things couldn't be perfect it wasn't worth trying in the first place?

I'm losing a lot of sleep at night knowing that the 0.375% tax is crushing the big-spending indigent.

Of all the platforms that people used to rail against the amendment (i.e. it'll never work, it's a handout to special interests, no money will ever go to a useful project, etc. etc.) before the vote came up, this one is the weakest. But now it's all that group has left.

I'll have many a restless night with 'egg on my face' knowing my selfish hunting, fishing, outdoor heritage, and conservation ways are sending people to the poor houses I guess.

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Maybe we should vote to repeal the sales tax that is helping to fund the Twins stadium as well cause we sure as heck don't need that in this economy either.

That's a great idea !

Too bad you use it in jest, and not out of sincerity.

Lets repeal all these special interest taxes.

Including the outdoors amendment.

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Maybe we should vote to repeal the sales tax that is helping to fund the Twins stadium as well cause we sure as heck don't need that in this economy either.

The Vikings are still looking for their handout, lets stop 'em dead in their tracks cause Lord knows none of us can afford to go to a game there anymore.

Just how much revenue does a dog park contribute???? I think I saw that the twins generate at least $37,000,000 in state taxes and revenue... A YEAR

By the way I voted NO because I saw this coming cry

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This was voted on before the economy tanked. To chastise the amendment as [a decision to take food off people's plates in these harsh times] isn't fair.

Dog parks can wait. A one time chance to secure thousands of acres for public use (where one could procure meat to eat) is big no matter what time it is.

I agree, the timing is not ideal, but we have it now. Let's just make sure they make the best of it.

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So nobody was talking about the economy in November, let alone earlier in 2008 when gas was $4 and oil was nearing $150? Sorry, but I don't think so.

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