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No more DNR?

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SF1657 was introduced on March 17th. Read below for a summary.

Creates an "Environment and Natural Resources Structure Committee" to advise legislature and governor. Abolishes the DNR, Environmental Quality Board, Pollution Control Agency, Board of Water and Soil Resources, Petroleum Tank Release Compensation Board, and Agricultural Chemical Response Compensation Board. Also abolishes certain powers and duties of the Dept of Agriculture, Health, Public Safety, and Commerce.

This Environment and Natural Resources Organization Advisory Committee will consist of 18 members: 6 public members appointed by the senate Subcommittee on Committees of the Committee of Rules and Administration (do you think they have enough committees on this?), 6 public members appointed by the speaker of the house, and 6 public members appointed by the Governor.

Duties. The advisory committee shall recommend a structure to provide an efficient and effective organization for state agencies and local governments to administer environment and natural resource policies. In making its recommendations, the advisory committee shall consider structures of organization that will accomplish:

1. reduction in administrative personnel

2. accountability to the public

3. consolidation of project permitting functions

4. professionalism in the provision of services

5. reducing political influence in the process

6. enhancing public participation and interaction with the public

7. alignment of services to meet current and expected future needs

8. utilization of new technology

9. providing assistance to businesses that will create and maintain jobs for the green economy

10. a reduction in overall personnel needed that will be accomplished through attrition.

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Looks like a Cluster&^$@ limitout, they must see $$$$ signs..

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I don't know what to think about it yet. I just got an update that this will be on the Committee on Environment and NR agenda for Wednesday. It kinda blindsided me.....didn't see this one coming at all.

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That's a little insane. What about CO's, would those duties just go to the already short staffed county sheriff's or local PD?

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No. Not from what I interpret from the bill. It appears they want to consolidate the admin portion into one advisory committee. The rank and file below would more or less remain. I'd assume that many tasks crossover between the departments mentioned and they feel it would be best to just put these issues all under one roof. The positives I see of combining the departments is that there would be fewer cooks in the kitchen for one, and secondly the right hand would know more of what the left hand is doing. That's a lot of blind faith right there!

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That is a lot of blind faith. I don't think smaller will mean better. Might save some cash that they'll throw at some pet project and squander anyway.

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I tend to think of it as being similar to a staff meeting in any office with multiple departments. Each department has their own tasks and reports on them at the staff meeting, but some may cross over to the other departments and those depts can offer ideas or may have better resources to accomplish the job then your specific department could.

Projects can go a lot smoother when there is inter-divisional conversations and assistance is offered, which often means the tasks can be completed with better efficiency and therefore typically less money is spent then if one department had to struggle through it alone with their limited resources.

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whats next our goverment just cant leave nothin alone

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In theory this would be a good idea, to take some cream off the top in terms of salary and redundancy.

It would force the consolodated "head" to come up with programs and ideas that would work together and depending on who the "head" is who they will work for.

It all depends on who is "appointed" or assigned with the leader ship role in the end. Political or Agricultural/Sportsman Individuals?

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thats the scary part who's going to be assigned these lead roles.

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Oh be rest assured it will be the same type of under qualified folks who are in charge of clean water act. sick

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....Abolishes the DNR, Environmental Quality Board, Pollution Control Agency, Board of Water and Soil Resources, Petroleum Tank Release Compensation Board, and Agricultural Chemical Response Compensation Board. Also abolishes certain powers and duties of the Dept of Agriculture, Health, Public Safety, and Commerce....

To me that they are trying to consolidate all of the above into ONE. Seems to me smaller government is usually better government. It'll be interesting to see how this rolls...

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This is a pretty common strategy in the corporate world.

Its all about economy of scale. If you have 6 seperate entities you need 6 times the management resources. If each of the 6 entities overlaps each other then you'll have 6 different approaches to the same common goal which in some cases can be beneficial but it can also bog down the process and waste alot of money.

Think of it like 6 subsidiaries all being owned by the same parent company. They all do the same type of work with alot of overlap and a few specialties that only they do. Does it make sense for all 6 companies to have seperate HR departments with seperate guidelines, seperate buildings with stand alone IT departments, seperate CEO, CFO, COO, VP's, etc... You could condolidate them into 1 or 2 companies based on specialties where they can share common functions to cut costs and improve collaboration. More gets done and it costs less.

The wording on the bill doesn't get into enough detail to tell us what they are really trying to do here. I would need to hear more about exactly how they want to restructure to see if I would be onboard with it.

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We have one of the best Dept of Ag and Health departments in the country. Why would you want to risk that under a cost savings measure.

Last week I was fortunate enough to get a tour of the labs that the Dept of Ag and the Health Dept use. They are housed together since they work together on many things, yet they each have their specialties. They work together on issues of food safety - think the peanut butter case that our people in that lab solved. However, the Health department also uses that lab to test things the Dept of Ag has no place being part of (newborn blood screenings for example).

By combining all these departments into one, we will lose a lot of the expertise that we currently have. There is no way a committee of 18 can know enough about nine different departments to keep the standards as high as they are right now.

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I just hate to see Wildlife thrown in with all the other groups, because who will win out when it comes to money issues? They are just trying to build one Big agencies out of many which will help the bottom line, but some areas may get lost in the pile they have to manage! frown

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It's about time the government start looking at way's to become more efficient.

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We all complain about the money we kick for Taxes and fees, but yet when someone brings up a cost saving idea we the "Oh We Can't Change Anything" response. Can't have it both ways folks.

Administration/management cost some serious Cha Ching!! Having fewer out there that we need to pay has got to help. And there is nothing saying the outdoors/wildlife/game is going to be the one to suffer.

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We will more than likely be seeing much more of these type of cost-cutting measures coming up as the state and local governments get more and more strapped for cash.

Too bad there isn't more cost-cutting going on at the federal level...record spending going on there, and guess who pays in the end?

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A committee appointed by the senate Subcommittee on Committees of the Committee of Rules and Administration. wink

Stinks already.

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Originally Posted By: LMITOUT
....Abolishes the DNR, Environmental Quality Board, Pollution Control Agency, Board of Water and Soil Resources, Petroleum Tank Release Compensation Board, and Agricultural Chemical Response Compensation Board. Also abolishes certain powers and duties of the Dept of Agriculture, Health, Public Safety, and Commerce....

To me that they are trying to consolidate all of the above into ONE. Seems to me smaller government is usually better government. It'll be interesting to see how this rolls...

Isn't this the root of communism? crazy

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Communism - Socialism. You say potato I say pataaaaato.

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To be serious, I'm not totally against. I like the idea of shrinking gov't. I just don't have faith that any money saved would be put to any good use.

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whats next our goverment just cant leave nothin alone

you got that right, anytime they decide to try and inprove something, it usally spells trouble.

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And this gets the whole mess under the thumb of the legislature instead of the governor right? You thought there were politics at the DNR before, you ain't seen nothing yet if this passes. 2/3 of the members appointed by the legislature. Hmmm what party is that? And how dominated by the metro are they?

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