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Brownie77

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I dont know the answer to your question.. did you get the ticket or not?

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No ticket, just a lot of hrassment. I told the guy to search my car, he would find no gun. I even offered up the huntign/trapping regs, but he refused to look at him.

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I would have told him to either ticket me and I will see him in court or else I would have headed back into the woods. Cause he can't keep you there and if you leave he either has to let you leave or detains you. If he detains you now he's gone into almost an arrest. I would have asked for either the ticket or to quit buggin me. I'm also a smart butt when I get around police officers because I have an education in law enforcement and know half the [PoorWordUsage] they pull is to guilt you into letting them do illegal searches and seizures.

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I am with you there, I to have a law enforcement education and know they like to try and push the law as far as they can.

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They can ticket you for anything a CO can, just like a CO can enforce non-game laws.

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they can really detain you?

guess i didn't know that. I thought they could only call a CO if they saw a violation... like any other person.

sounds like he had a bad day and wanted to take it out on someone.

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A law enforcement officer can write you a game law ticket the same as a Conservation Officer can. The CO can also write you a ticket for tailgateing or parking if he wished. If you did get tagged you could have taken it to cort. He likely thought you were actualy shinning, which is illeagal this time of year. I find it best not to have an attitude about it.

The long arm of the law has ways of making live difficult if they feel like doing so.

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Yes they can detain you and will. They also can enforce the game laws if they know which laws are being broken. That is not there area of enforcement so most do not know game laws. Thay know that you can not shoot across or from a road, can not use lead shot while duck hunting and that type of thing but most do not know the game laws so most do not even try to enforce them. But yes they will detain you till a CO gets there and that is not a problem.

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I don't think police/sheriff have ticket books for game laws and C.O.'s don't have ticket books for speeding etc. As far as I know each type of officer turns the pinch over to the other type of officer.

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Black bay,

not sure where you got your info, but I can guarantee you that a Conservation Officer can and will write you a ticket for traffic laws or anything non-game" related.

I work with C.O.'s many times throughout the year and this comes up everytime.

As to the other side of the question of Sheriff's, City Police, or State Patrol writing tickets for infractions that a C.O. normally would, I say this with a resounding YES, they can and will write you a ticket or detain you until a C.O. can arrive.

I had a situation where I was in a WMA and some guy drove through the gate and past a sign that clearly stated "No Motorized Vehicles Beyond This Point". The C.O's weren't available (on a call on the other side of the county at the time)so I called the Sheriffs Dept who arrived within minutes, cited the individual and escorted him out.

Because there are too few C.O.'s to cover the entire state, they recommend that you contact the local Sheriff's Dept first.

Now after writing all of this, I have one question for the OP. If you have a Law Enforcement education, isn't this something that you would know? Not trying to sound rude. Just curious since we don't know how far into your LE education you are at this point.

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wow i guess you learn something new everyday.

QQ- I thought you could shine deer before 10:00 pm if you do not have a gun in your car... am i mistaken?

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Firearms must be locked in the trunk or in the extreme rear portion of the pickup box as I understand it.

Now this may be different during deer season. Someone else such as lawdog might be able to answer this more clearly than I.

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Black bay,

not sure where you got your info, but I can guarantee you that a Conservation Officer can and will write you a ticket for traffic laws or anything non-game" related.

I work with C.O.'s many times throughout the year and this comes up everytime.

As to the other side of the question of Sheriff's, City Police, or State Patrol writing tickets for infractions that a C.O. normally would, I say this with a resounding YES, they can and will write you a ticket or detain you until a C.O. can arrive.

I had a situation where I was in a WMA and some guy drove through the gate and past a sign that clearly stated "No Motorized Vehicles Beyond This Point". The C.O's weren't available (on a call on the other side of the county at the time)so I called the Sheriffs Dept who arrived within minutes, cited the individual and escorted him out.

Because there are too few C.O.'s to cover the entire state, they recommend that you contact the local Sheriff's Dept first.

Now after writing all of this, I have one question for the OP. If you have a Law Enforcement education, isn't this something that you would know? Not trying to sound rude. Just curious since we don't know how far into your LE education you are at this point.

I got my info from a retired state trooper. He never had ticket books that covered shining deer or taking too many fish etc. If he encountered those situations he called a C.O. and they wrote the ticket for those. In the example you stated I suppose the person could have been tagged for trespassing or a similar offence. Many offences could be covered under different laws. ie if someone shot at a deer on the shoulder of the road that could be reckless use of a firearm. I guess what I'm getting at is that each type of LEO enforces different laws otherwise we'd just have one type of police force. Instead we have local/city police, county sheriff, state troopers, and conservation officers not to mention all the federal law enforcement. Each type concentrates their enforcement efforts on different laws.

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but their "jurisdiction" crosses the imaginary line. Often times they don't like to tread into another LEO's area of expertise, but they can if need be.

Don't let anyone fool you, C.O.'s can and do enforce more than environmental/recreational laws.

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but their "jurisdiction" crosses the imaginary line. Often times they don't like to tread into another LEO's area of expertise, but they can if need be.

Don't let anyone fool you, C.O.'s can and do enforce more than environmental/recreational laws.

Look at the Outdoor News Cuffs and Collars - you see alot of DUI arrests and assistance calls.

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