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The Big Guns Are In Play.

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They took out Gore. Obama's in their sights now. You know what they say about running with the big dogs.

LAMBRO: Gun control target practice

Donald Lambro

Thursday, September 18, 2008

Gun control has suddenly emerged as the toxic issue of the 2008 presidential campaign, endangering Barack Obama's appeal among Democratic blue-collar and labor union households.

The freshman Illinois senator has a long record of favoring gun bans in Chicago and Washington, D.C., and a raft of other gun control bills that are anathema to gun owners, hunters and sportsmen alike.

He insists now he supports Second Amendment gun rights to keep and bear arms that the U.S. Supreme Court upheld when it struck down the D.C. gun ban in June. But he refused to join 77 of his colleagues who signed a friend of the court brief to end the weapons ban and remains sympathetic to a broad range of gun ban statutes.

Yet the Obama campaign has been running ads in key states with large populations of gun owners and hunters, insisting he supports the right to own a gun. He cannot run away from his record.

The McCain campaign, the Republican National Committee and the nearly 4 million-member National Rifle Association are blanketing the country with ads, Web site videos and other broadsides detailing his record - especially in battleground states where gun controls are political poison.

NRA officials told me this week they are mounting the biggest anti-gun control offensive in their history to make sure every gun owner in the country knows that deep down Mr. Obama does not believe people should own guns.

"We are going to spend whatever our members send us," said NRA chief lobbyist Chris Cox. "Obama assumes our members are either stupid or have short memories, or both. What he's going to find out is not only are they a loyal voting bloc, but a savvy voting bloc who don't become bitter by owning guns but become bitter when politicians lie to them or mock their lifestyle."

The gun rights voting bloc is a sizable force in American politics, with 90 million gun owners in the country that the NRA has become proficient in mobilizing in presidential elections. Their largest numbers are found in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, and in the West in places like Montana, Nevada and Colorado - battleground red states that Obama Democrats hope to carry this time.

President Clinton believes to this day that Al Gore's pro-gun control record cost him three to six states and the 2000 election. Voter exit polls at that time found about 48 percent of voters owned guns, up from 37 percent in 1996. George Bush won 61 percent of their vote.

It became such a deadly issue during that period that Democrats largely abandoned any mention of gun control laws in their campaigns or began running as gun rights Democrats - like former Gov. Mark Warner and Sen. James Webb in Virginia and Sen. Bob Casey in Pennsylvania.

Montana illustrates the Democrats' growing gun problems. The Obama high command targeted it early this year because it has been rapidly trending Democratic in recent years. Obama has visited the state five times in this campaign and has a large, full-time ground organization working there.

But earlier this year Democratic Gov. Brian Schweitzer bluntly told the New York Times that Mr. Obama could not carry his state because of his gun control record. "In Montana, we like our guns. We like big guns. We like little guns. We like shotguns. We like pistols. Most of us own two or three guns. Gun control is hitting what you shoot at," the feisty rancher told the Times. When asked why he thought the Democratic nominee could not win the state, he replied, "Guns."

Polls bear him out. A recent Rasmussen survey of Montana voters now shows Mr. Obama trailing John McCain by 53 percent to 42 percent. Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg, who heads the New Democrat Network, released new polls last week finding Montana "seems to be drifting back into the GOP camp."

Gun-owner doubts about Mr. Obama is to a large extent why he is running behind or is in a dead heat in states where a Democrat should be doing well this year - like Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Nevada.

In heavily Democratic Michigan, for example, the economy is by far the No. 1 issue, but pollsters say gun control fears are one of the reasons the race is in a dead heat in the strong union state.

"The state has one of the highest gun-ownership rates in the country and in a downbeat economy where Obama should be doing well, he is underperforming among union members and other folks with hunting backgrounds," said Michigan pollster Bernie Porn, president of EPIC/MRA.

Notably, Mr. Porn finds Mr. Obama "has slipped among the state's labor union members by 10 points. His support was at 61 percent in July but dropped to 51 percent in August."

Republican campaign broadsides portray Mr. Obama as "the most anti-gun presidential candidate in American history" a message that now threatens to hurt him among his own party's base.

Donald Lambro, chief political correspondent of The Washington Times, is a nationally syndicated columnist.

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back in the 1970's and 80's, i always remember the press claiming that gun control and abortion would spell the demise of the GOP. the opposite is true. a candidate with the most extreme voting record on guns and abortion is now claiming he supports the second amendment and opposes partial birth abortion. this election is one of those classic cultural/Northeast and west coast elites verses the heartland that the democrats never win, despite the up and down polls before the election. no surprise that the only democrats who have won in the last 30 years were moderate southern democrat governors, Carter and Clinton

I remember Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Bros. band, and Charlie Daniels campaigning for Carter

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nobody will take your guns away. dont worry

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nobody will take your guns away. dont worry

its not a question of who or if someone will take a way guns. its a voting record being called into question.

i have noticed something about obama's "ambassadors." someone simply posted the RNC verses the DNC platform on gun ownership and the obamaites went ballistic claiming that the individual posting it was implying obama wants to confiscate firearms.

its like if you bring up the fact that obama has a muslim name and spent some time being taught in a sort of madrass, his followers will make statements like," so you're saying he's a terrorist?" no middle ground with them. their reply, "sit down, shut up, and trust him."

speaking of union members, go to the range and here what these old democrats are saying about Obama.

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200 years and countless liberal presidents and you still have your guns. The only real progress that the supposed gun control crowd has made - waiting periods, and preventing felons from buying guns. Now it's all gonna change if Obama gets elected, huh?. I bet that McSame will overturn Roe v. Wade if he gets elected, right?

Wake up, take off your NRA tin-foil hat, and take a whiff of that great big dead horse.

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