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At a loss, no response. I say after that who knows where this goes. Does this give me Question "Yes" BUt it it comes down to what I think is most prevalant and most important to what I want out of our govermont

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Ya, it sounds like Obama has the State of Minnesota sowed up. I guess he is so far ahead in MN, they pushed the MN seats back and brought other states forward at the RNC. Enough ahead, they doubt any campaign stops will occur by either of the candidates from now to the end of the election in MN and put effort in swing states.

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Ya, it sounds like Obama has the State of Minnesota sowed up. I guess he is so far ahead in MN, they pushed the MN seats back and brought other states forward at the RNC. Enough ahead, they doubt any campaign stops will occur by either of the candidates from now to the end of the election in MN and put effort in swing states.

no question that he will likely win MN, however even after the DFL convention and before the GOP convention McCain was still well within the margin of error. insurmountable? no. improbable? yes.

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Wow! I thought MN had some outdoors types living there.

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Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

by L. Neil Smith

lneil@lneilsmith.org

Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.

If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons -- conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you want to entrust him with anything?

If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like "Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.

He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school -- or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe -- and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

But it isn't true, is it?

Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author -- provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.

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Originally Posted By: shackbash
Ya, it sounds like Obama has the State of Minnesota sowed up. I guess he is so far ahead in MN, they pushed the MN seats back and brought other states forward at the RNC. Enough ahead, they doubt any campaign stops will occur by either of the candidates from now to the end of the election in MN and put effort in swing states.

no question that he will likely win MN, however even after the DFL convention and before the GOP convention McCain was still well within the margin of error. insurmountable? no. improbable? yes.

I was surprised the last few elections were as close as they were in MN.

If McCain were not against subsidizing the Corn Gas industry, I was thinking he had a real shot here. He still might.

Guess the debates, and ultimately the election, will tell.

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Ya, it sounds like Obama has the State of Minnesota sowed up. I guess he is so far ahead in MN, they pushed the MN seats back and brought other states forward at the RNC. Enough ahead, they doubt any campaign stops will occur by either of the candidates from now to the end of the election in MN and put effort in swing states.

So what???? MN has gone Dem in every Presidential election for decades. Good grief we couldn't even get Reagan right and 49 other states did...

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Very true. Dems winning MN? And you are surprised?

I am voted for McCain though. I wish the rest of the state would look at the candidates and not just vote "Dem" too. And, I was a Democrat....

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Good grief we couldn't even get Reagan right and 49 other states did...

No kidding. What does that tell you about the great voting minds of this state?

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I am voting for McCain too, and I think Mn will be closer then the "experts" think.

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Very true. Dems winning MN? And you are surprised?

Yes, given the last hand full of elections I was surprised to hear of this.

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Ya, it sounds like Obama has the State of Minnesota sowed up.

Sowed up? Now I know where that smell is coming from. grin

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It makes sense for Obama to win MN. MN is full of middle class people who would typcially be better off with a Dem. in office.

For one I am tired of the tax cuts only going to the rich. The republican theory that giving tax cuts to the rich and hoping the spend more money to boost the economy has proven yet again that the logic is flawed. It smells of the rich taking care of their own and watching out for their own good not the good of the country.

When is the last time you saw a middle class republican run for president. It is a prerequiste that they be worth millions. They are so far out of touch with the average american that it is shocking. How many homes does McCain own again? As soon as he can answer that question without having to look it up I might start listening to him again.

For the good of the country I will vote Obama.

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It makes sense for Obama to win MN. MN is full of middle class people who would typcially be better off with a Dem. in office.

For one I am tired of the tax cuts only going to the rich. The republican theory that giving tax cuts to the rich and hoping the spend more money to boost the economy has proven yet again that the logic is flawed. It smells of the rich taking care of their own and watching out for their own good not the good of the country.

When is the last time you saw a middle class republican run for president. It is a prerequiste that they be worth millions. They are so far out of touch with the average american that it is shocking. How many homes does McCain own again? As soon as he can answer that question without having to look it up I might start listening to him again.

For the good of the country I will vote Obama.

Another one jealous of the rich. Take responsibility for your own life and earn as much money as you want. This is America after all.

When's the last time you saw a middle class Democrat run for president? Don't say Obama because he is a career politician worth millions of dollars.

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Boy nofish, I don't even know where to start with the fallacies and absurdities in that post. You can't seriously think that ANY candidate for President from EITHER party is in the middle class can you? What rock do you live under? Good grief OBAMA made like 6 million for book deals alone in the last couple years, Edwards multi millionaire, Kerry multimillionaire, Clintons both multimillionaires, etc. etc. What an absurd comment. Ya those Limousine Liberal Democrats like Obama are so much more in touch with the middle class, GOOD GRIEF!

And the "tax cuts to the rich" line is so flawed it stinks too, most all the family farmers around here are ultra rich now the way it gets defined by tax debates at election time.

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It makes sense for Obama to win MN. MN is full of middle class people who would typcially be better off with a Dem. in office.

For one I am tired of the tax cuts only going to the rich. The republican theory that giving tax cuts to the rich and hoping the spend more money to boost the economy has proven yet again that the logic is flawed. It smells of the rich taking care of their own and watching out for their own good not the good of the country.

When is the last time you saw a middle class republican run for president. It is a prerequiste that they be worth millions. They are so far out of touch with the average american that it is shocking. How many homes does McCain own again? As soon as he can answer that question without having to look it up I might start listening to him again.

For the good of the country I will vote Obama.

You don't honestly believe Obama is middle class do you?

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It makes sense for Obama to win MN. MN is full of middle class people who would typcially be better off with a Dem. in office.

For one I am tired of the tax cuts only going to the rich. The republican theory that giving tax cuts to the rich and hoping the spend more money to boost the economy has proven yet again that the logic is flawed. It smells of the rich taking care of their own and watching out for their own good not the good of the country.

When is the last time you saw a middle class republican run for president. It is a prerequiste that they be worth millions. They are so far out of touch with the average american that it is shocking. How many homes does McCain own again? As soon as he can answer that question without having to look it up I might start listening to him again.

For the good of the country I will vote Obama.

Obama made over 4 mil last year... he is so middle class...

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We put a republican governer back in office, so that says something....
yep! We are now becoming "user fee" to death. But at least our taxes didnt go up at the same rate as our "User fee" did.

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Originally Posted By: lawdog
Good grief we couldn't even get Reagan right and 49 other states did...

No kidding. What does that tell you about the great voting minds of this state?

Reagen! Do you guys jump on every band wagon the republican machine toats around.

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Originally Posted By: LMITOUT
Originally Posted By: lawdog
Good grief we couldn't even get Reagan right and 49 other states did...

No kidding. What does that tell you about the great voting minds of this state?

Reagen! Do you guys jump on every band wagon the republican machine toats around.

Hmm Mondale was from Minnesota... maybe that explains it?

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