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Have You Drank The Kool-Aid?

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Ok grin, I just have to get this off my chest because the phrase is used in here from time to time.

Several days back, I was attending a function where a political conversation had started. Much to the same as what goes on in this forum, two opposites seemed to strong arm most of the decision and as always both of them where not going to be found wrong in their beliefs. At one point one of them broke out and said “You have drank the Kool-Aid man!”. Now, again I have seen this posted in here from time to time (more so as of late), but this was one of the first times I could recall hearing it out and about in a conversation. I stopped the conversation and had to ask if this person who had used this phrase if he knew what it means. He said “Sure I know what it means, it means when an unsuspecting guy or gal goes to a party and drinks Kool-Aid laced with alcohol or drugs”. At this point another person that had not been in the main conversation said “No, it was a term/phrase derived from about a cult from California led by Jim Jones down to Guyana, where 900 people drank arsenic laced Kool-Aid in an attempt to not be influenced by anyone from the outside”. Well I chimed in at this point and said “all though the JonesTown theory is correct, but they did not drink Kool-Aid, they drank grape Flavor-Aid with a combo chloral hydrate and Valium in it.”. After this, off to the computer we went and I was proven correct.

Who says a person does not learn any thing in High School? I did and the James Town mass suicide was one of the last big reports I had done. It has stuck in my mind since grin.

I know most of you know this and the ones who did not would never admit it, but I figured I would help prevent a fellow FM’er from talking him or hers self into a corner at a party.

So, any guess’s on how this phrase has been continued with Kool-Aid being used in it? I figure someone should know, it has been used in here many times grin.

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Of course pop culture changed the off brand Flavor-Aid to the widely known Kool-Aid very shortly after the incident hit the media. America is not about precision. It's about mass convenience.

Now, did the alteration hurt or help sales of Kool-Aid in America after the tragedy? That's a REAL question. gringrin

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I don't think you can pigeonhole all Kool-Aid drinking references into one category. Couldn't it refer to the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe? Basically where drinking the Kool-Aid is mind opening, life altering experience, deemed positive by some, dangerous by many. Drinking the Kool-Aid in this was painting someone as a hippie.

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I just asked my husband and he said they are saying that about Obama and they used to say it about Clinton. He explaned it but I still dont get it.

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I have been doing some research the last hour on how Kool-Aid was brought into the mix, but can find anything to support the 60’s/70’s counter culture theory (all though a great observation).

After the conversation, it did leave me with a question mark on my mind as to where and when did the term Kool-Aid get brought into the equation. Again I have researched it and found nothing. It could be a combination of things like you guys have said. I did find how ever an old chat room that had brought up the subject about Kool-Aid loosing sales during and after the tragedy, but the links have dried up to this information and I could not pull any of the data into this post.

I just find it funny when people use this phrase. Most times it is at their holiest of holies during a heated debate and is used as an intelligent prelude to prove a point. In the end it means nothing at all and as far as I can find it is wrong and there for should no prove a point. I mean, what did Kool-aid ever do to anyone grin, except make them happy? Sounds like a Seinfeld skit grin

As far as Flavor-Aid, I remember it and I think it only came in grape grin. It was the off brand to Kool-Aid, they might still make it. As a matter of fact, I swear their was a black comedian who had a segment not to long ago that involved Flavor-Aid as a kid and feeling left out not having Kool-Aid.

As another matter of fact, Dee Dee I think you and your hubby are correct. If memory serves me correct, Obama use this phrase in his campaign against Hillary. Not be stereotypical, but he of all should know what Flavor-Aid is and what it was used at that time.

If anything else breks on this, I will let you guys know winkgrin

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Actually some breaking news pretty quick.

I was doing a search on Flavor-Aid in Wikipedia and found this:

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Around 914 followers of Jim Jones committed suicide or were murdered by drinking or allegedly being forced to drink cyanide-laced grape Flavor Aid in 1978.[2] Erroneous references to the mass suicide, in combination with existing references to The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test of the Merry Pranksters, gave rise to the saying "Don't drink the Kool-Aid" as a reference to those who blindly follow an authority even if it leads to serious harm or death. A camera from inside the compound shows a large chest being opened showing boxes of both drinks.[3] There is also testimony from criminal investigators at the Jonestown inquest stating that there were "cool aid" (sic) packets there.[4] It is unknown whether these are a reference to the Kool-aid brand packets from the trunk, or simply a generic use of the more popular brand for the product.

Some more info:

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Flavor Aid is a non-carbonated soft drink beverage made by Jel Sert, introduced in 1929. It is sold as a sweetened powdered concentrate drink mix, similar to Kool-Aid drink mix.

I stand corrected, it does come in more flavors grin:

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Cherry, Raspberry, Grape, Berry Punch, Tropical Punch, Orange, Lemonade, Lemon-Lime, Strawberry and Kiwi-Watermelon.

It is Wikipedia so who knows?

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More than I ever wanted to know about powdered concentrate drinks.

Same could be said about the political views shared in this forum laugh

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I see you guys have all ready drank the Kool-Aid grin.

Ahh! now, it was better than researching political junk anyways or arguing in another thread on who is right and who is wrong. Things gets old, like rotten Kool-Aid grin

Like HST said, "one for the doctor" grin and then stir wink.

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Ahh! now, it was better than researching political junk anyways or arguing in another thread on who is right and who is wrong. Things gets old, like rotten Kool-Aid grin

YOUR WRONG, Cherry is the best sleep I can't believe you can even think Grape is the best whistle

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Hey, I never said Grape was the best grin. It is what was used in James Town.

I was always partial to fruit Punch wink

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Shack, they don't drink Kool-Aid in North Dakota.

Now Jonestown Guyana..... I heard the flavorite was indeed Strawberry.

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