Guests - If You want access to member only forums on HSO. You will gain access only when you sign-in or Sign-Up on HotSpotOutdoors.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Team Otter

Snap Weight Trolling...

14 posts in this topic

Scenario:

If I'm driving the boat 2.5 mph and am trolling the 50/50 method with a 2 oz. snap weight, 10/4 Fireline and a #5 Shad Rap, how deep is the Shad Rap running?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't believe there is a way to accurately figure out how deep you are getting on the 50/50 method in terms of an formula or a depth curve chart. The only thing you could do would be the sand test which is to go to an area that you know how deep it is and keep moving deeper until you start hitting bottom at which point you know how deep it will run. You want to find an area with fairly consent depth without weeds and rocks that will help you determine how deep you are running.

Hope this helps.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Does the Shad dive deeper than were the snap weight is at? Or does it stay about the same level?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm away from home this weekend and don't have my book with me so I can't look it up, but the Precision Trolling book should give you the info for 2.5 mph and the 2 oz snap weight.

I'd think the fireline would run slightly deeper than the 10 lb mono, less diameter will get you more depth doesn't matter whether you're using snap weights or not. So use that info for starters.

Then look at what 50 feet of fireline gets you with a #5 shaprap (probably 5 feet??) I think you could add the two together, ie. the snap weight will get you some depth and the shad rap will get you a little more depth.

Hope that helps

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You could calc it - basic geometry if you can estimate the angle of the line. At 45 degree angle snap weight would be about 30 ft down ("a" squared + "b" squared = "c" squared less line needed to hit waterline). To that add diving depth of shad rap with 50ft out. Line angle at 2.5mph is probably more like 22 degrees cutting depth roughly in half. I'd guess right around 20ft. The only sure way is to check it using a known depth like Mille Lacs Guy said. My personal experience in lakes is that 20ft range estimate is a good one.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for the input gang. Yes, Precision Trolling has some good information. Basically, when using a 1-oz. snap weight, plan on a 33% increase in depth when clipped 20' above any given lure at 2.0 mph.

EX: #5 Shad Rap, 100' back on 10/4 Fireline typically runs ~10 - 11' at 2.0 mph. Add a 1-oz. snap weight 20' above the lure and you'll get to 13 - 15'.

And so a 2-oz. snap weight would probably get you to the 17 - 20' range, in theory.

I'm going to have some time on my hands this weekend on a family vacation and I thought this may be something fun to play around with out in the basins. Funny thing is what that I was hoping someone had already done the "dirty work". Ha!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have had good luck running 30' out, snap weight then let line out till weight hits bottom, give it another 15-20' to allow for lift and go with that. I haven't run weights in a few years now since switching to leadcore. Of course I am also fishing a lake with a 21' mx depth and targeting the bottom 2-3' in the basin.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

TO- Have you found that 10/4 Fireline allows that much more depth from your lures. I run 15lb Calcutta braid right now and can't ever hit 10-11' with a #5, 9' is about the max, even with 200'+ of line out. There isn't that much of a differnce in line diameter so I think it would come down to shape, fireline is a bit flatter than this Calcutta, so maybe that is the differnce?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I can't give you a specific answer between Fireline and Calcutta, but I will tell you that without question thinner diameter lines will get you more depth, in some cases noticably more.

I think TO likes Fireline Crystal, which is rounder and not flatter like the older Fireline. I'd think the flatter sides would limit to a small degree some of the extra depth you could be getting.

Also, make sure your crankbaits are 100% in tune in order to achieve their maximum depth, being even a little out of tune will easily cost you 2-3 feet, sometimes 5, even more if they're deep divers and way out of tune.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

10/4 Fireline and/or Fireline Crystal and a tuned crank bait will get you optimal depth control at any given speed. Other super lines at similar line diameter will do the same. For example, in my boat, 100' back with a #5 Shad Rap is digging bottom in 10' at 2.5 mph...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hmmm....I will need to do some tweeking and or look at spooling up with 10lb braid instead of 15....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Scenario:

If I'm driving the boat 2.5 mph and am trolling the 50/50 method with a 2 oz. snap weight, 10/4 Fireline and a #5 Shad Rap, how deep is the Shad Rap running?

A 2oz snap weight (with spinner) at 2MPH runs 15-19 feet and 23-27 feet at 1 MPH. Again, this is with 10 lb mono. A spinner or stickbait run about 2 feet deeper.

Using the 50/50 method would you consider the diving crankbait to be 100' out or 50'? There is only 2 feet of depth difference between the two on this model but it brings up a good question that Precision Trolling dosen't really cover.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Pulled in a 27.5"er last night from 30 feet of water over 48 feet. Deep diving plug 50 feet behind a 2 oz snap weight with another 100 feet of line out. Some of the biggest fish in the system are suspended right now and catchable.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

100' out; let out 50', clip on weight, let out last 50'.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Posts

    • A CO2 detector also protects you from what comes into your house thru a cracked window. Had mine go off last week on red. Turns out the wind had changed and generator exhaust was now blowing towards house. Generator was 50' from the house. 
    • After I got laid off awhile back I searched all of the above daily.  There would be some duplicate jobs posted on every site but a large number would only be found on one site or the other.  Companies seem to have their preferred job board and then stick to it for all their job postings so you really need to look at all of them.    Also don't over look the idea of targeting companies.  If you know a certain area you'd be looking to move to look to see what companies in that area might be able to use someone with your skills.  Then look at those companies job boards if they have them or send in a resume to their HR dept to see if they have any openings.  There are a lot of hidden jobs out there that don't get posted to a normal job board so you need to be savvy to find them.    A recruiter can also help but you need to find the right recruiter. I worked with a few and only one was really any good and had connections to the right kind of jobs for me.  If you can find one that specializes in your field then it might be worth connecting with one.  When i did it didn't cost me anything but a little bit of my time and they were able to hook me up with a decent contract job to help fill in the gap until i got on full time somewhere. 
    • Trump Touts "People Are Seeing Big Stuff” After GM Unveils 7,000 New U.S. Jobs   Confirming rumors that leaked yesterday, GM has just announced plans to invest $1 billion in its U.S. manufacturing operations and add 7,000 jobs domestically, over the next "few years".  Of course, the move follows similar announcements from Ford and Fiat-Chrysler over recent weeks in an apparent effort to appease the incoming Trump administration amid threats of a 35% import tariff and after years of outsourcing automotive manufacturing jobs to Mexico.  To add icing to the cake, GM notes that 450 of the new jobs will come from insourcing jobs previously moved to Mexico.          The winning continues...
    • Hyundai To Boost Investment In The US To $3.1 Billion Over 5 Years   Korea's Hyundai Motor Group said it plans to lift U.S. investment by 50 percent to $3.1 billion over five years and may build a new plant there - the latest auto firm to announce fresh spending after President-elect Donald Trump threatened to tax imports.      
    • This is our year! i feel there is something different about them! I see the passion and intensity they have. Putting the puck on the net is key!
    • OK, let's play you're game. Deficits and debt are no problem, I'll take your word for it.    Please tell me then:
      Why does YOUR party want to reduce the debt?
      Why was your party against debt when Obama was racking it up?
      Why do you vote for Republicans when you don't agree with them on very many issues?
    • What I worried about in the past and why I was not to high on them was because Parise and Sutter were supposed to carry the load but that is evidently no longer the case.  The Sophomores and Juniors have "figured it out" and have stepped up and are carrying the team...not to mention Stall is "reborn".  IMO as long as Dubnyk stays healthy I don't think we have anything to worry about. It is all about he playoffs now as they'd have to take a huge step back not to get in IMO....we'll so how far they can go....with this new found success.  
    • Grain Belt is bottled by Schell's - either one works for me, although my preference is Schell's Deer Brand.  But it's not stocked in a lot of bars or package stores here in the north country.  
  • Our Sponsors