Guests - If You want access to member only forums on HSO. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on HotSpotOutdoors.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Loos15

Losing fish during fights

29 posts in this topic

Hi everyone, I think I need some serious help with my problem of losing fishing during the fight. This year has been horrible for me and I don't quite know why. I've lost nearly every fish I've hooked this year(it's really that bad). I've been losing bass and walleyes equally.

My equipment I normally use is med action walleye rod, 15lb power pro and stradic reel. My drag is set to give pretty readily. I normally jig fish, and reel in slack before hook setting, and I always keep my rod up. Could it be my line is just pulling the jig out? I 've noticed I usualy loose the fish when the fish surfaces. I'm really at a loss at what I'm doing/using wrong....

Any advice is welcomed and will be appericiated

thanks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Really hard to say.. For me, I fished a ton of braid a few years back, and like you, lost a lot of fish. I noticed that a lot of the fish I caught had large holes/rips in their lips from my hook... I assumed this was due to the lack of stretch in the line.. I have gone back to mono and have lost far few fish.

I still use braid in heavy veg situations.. but seldome much else.

a tip, do every thing you can to not allow that fish to surface.. Fight the fish with your rod tip near the surface, and if your line is going to the surface, push your rod tip down in the water and try to turn the fish.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

there could be many issues. Obviously it is user error if you are truly losing almost every fish you hook.

Try tightening your drag. You aren't gonna break off fish on 15 pound power pro unless you are really trying. It is possible you aren't getting a good hookset because your drag just gives line when you set

Conversely, you may be ripping the hook out. If you are setting the hook hard with no slack in the line, this may be the case. If so, tie on a mono shock leader of 8 or 10 pound test line, maybe 3 or 4 feet. This gives you some stretch, which would help if you are ripping the hook out of fish on hookset.

Finally, sounds like if you are losing them when they hit the surface you aren't keeping the pressure on them. It's hard to describe, but just try to keep them from surfacing, and keep the pressure on when they do. Rod tip high when they are deep, lower when they are near the surface, like the previous poster mentioned. And remember, keep the rod at right angles to the fish - for example, don't point the rod at the fish when reeling in

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Two of my suggestions were already covered by Dietz and goblue - get rid of the no-stretch line, and tighten your drag - especially if your drag is slipping on your hooksets, then you're not driving the hook home.

You said you mostly jig fish - make sure your hooks are sharp, and try bending the point of the hook up slightly and off to the side slightly, to open up the gap a little ----- leads to better hookups.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think you need 15lb line for what you're fishing. I use 6lb for most of my fishing unless I'm trolling cranks, then I go power pro. The mono has a nice stretch so that always helps as others have said.

Another thing to watch is the knot you are tying on it. I started using Palimer knots for the most part and it really helps with them not coming undone.

Also, don't set your hook like you are shark fishing. I feel a light bight with eyes and just give it a solid give. You may loose a few, but you will set way more than you loose.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks everyone who repplied laugh. A lot of great advice and really appericate it. I use 15lb braid because I fish on shore and lots of snags in the area. Much easier to pull out without giving away line diameter. Would it be bad if i switched to 15lb mono? And what brand of mono would you guys reconmend?

thanks again

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Focus more on line diameter than on the lb strength. 15 lb power pro has the diameter of 6 lb mono and when I use superlines for bass / walleye / pike they are usually in that neighborhood, or heavier. For mono I usually use 4 lb to 10 lb depending on what I'm doing. And not just mono, but also the copolymer lines - gamma is becoming a favorite of mine in situations where I used to use mono.

Given what you said about fishing from shore with lots of snags in the area, I don't think 15 lb power pro is a bad choice. If you use mono or copolymer I'd go with 8 lb, maybe 10 lb --- 10 lb gets awfully big for jigging though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I had that same problem about 4 years ago. Was using power pro and fireline for all my fishing. I really liked the feel of the bite with the no stretch line. Seemed to bend the hook out on the hookset too often. I switched to 12lbs. mono for everything except bass jigs, scumfrogs, and I have fireline on a spinning rod for dock skipping. The versitility of super lines is awesome....but for me....the way I set the hook...mono just hooks up better. Try 8lbs. or 10lbs. Maxima mono. That stuff is tough. I witnessed a buddy pull in a 25 inch Kamloop through 50 yards of ice chunks on Lake Superior with 4lbs. Hope you can figure out your problem.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Something else to consider is if the rod you are using is to just too stiff you may be just plain old ripping out the hooks or it may not keep the line tight under some circumstances. Like said earlier, I would look at your hooks for both size and sharpness, they need to have a fair sized gap and needs to be sharp. I don't fish braid on anything other than my Musky rod so I have no experience with it for jigging but it could be the combo of a too stiff rod and no stretch line causing you to pull the hooks free.

I rarely fish anything over 6# line and mostly 4# pound, so to me 15# seems like anchor rope. I would rather lose a few rigs to snags than lose all the fish I hook, so I would at least consider something a little lighter.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have no problem using 14, 20 or 30lb fireline for bass, walleye, pike.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i had the same issue a few years back and i switched to a rod with a little more bend on the tip and the problem was solved.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but I've seen more fish lost when patience is short. One must have patience and avoid trying to horse the fish in. Set your drag tight enough so it doesn't slip when you set the hook but does slip when the fish runs and then take your time. Let the fish tell you when it's ready to be landed.

Bob

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If it's all wide open water, you can play a fish with light tackle gear and ease it in. If it's a tight spot with lots of obstacles for fish to bury or line wrap it, then I've got no choice but to resort to overpowering the fish in with heavier tackle gear. But when I use heavier tackle gear, I generally have too light of a hook set. Sometimes that proves bad as I don't have good hook penetration.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another option is to use a little different shaped hook or different type of jig. I changed hooks I used tossing worms for bass last year and I was amazed because I was hooking all the fish in a good spot (right through a tough part of the bottom of the mouth).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with the hook change suggestion. I sometimes fish Walleye tournies and when money is on the line, I replace my trebles with Mustad Triplegrip hooks. My ice fishing jigging lures also carry them. A fish hooked with them doesn't get loose. When you use Triplegrips you better have a hook remover because they are hard to get out of the jaws. They hook,they hold. I buy those hooks in quantity. End of commercial.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Whoa, whoa guys!

(I have always wanted to do that grin)!

Are you fishing from shore on a lake or river?

Quote:
I use 15lb braid because I fish on shore and lots of snags in the area.

The way you are talking, reads to me as river talk grin.

I have found (and anyone can dispute this), but when fishing from any shore, verses a boat, there is a major difference to the hook set. Plus throw in the river hook set from shore, many things change.

Plus, are you using circles or standard "J" style hooks?

If it is circles, I would bet the circle side step shuffle might be needed.

If not, adjust your drag and keep tenstion on your rod grin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

well he's jigging, so if there's a circle-hook jig out there, i've yet to hear about it. I've never had any problems with hook sets in lakes or rivers, haven't found it to be different. Now its possible I spend so much time on rivers, both wading, boating, and from shore, that I just naturally account for any difference the current makes. But I don't notice it, must be subconcious smile

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry goblueM,

I did not read/realize he was jigging from shore. I guess it does not mean nothing.

Go on! Sorry! smile

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

jeez shack, i was so [PoorWordUsage] at your post! i hold a mean grudge, too wink

although i wonder if a circle-hook jig would work for finesse presentations...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I fish both lakes and rivers on shore....not that i have a choice :P. This year I haven't river fished very much....I just don't catch anything worthwhile in the areas I know. But on the lakes I fish, i always look for rocky areas, and I tend to lose quite a few jigs, no matter what kind. I figured I better stop losing jigs, A for financial reasons, and B , all that lead in the area...not so good. I mostly go after eyes, but i do get a lot of bass hits.

And again, thank you everyone who replied. laugh

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

goblueM,

I hold no grudge at all dude! You where right and I was wrong.

I might have worded it a little harsh (now I look back), but no hard feelings dude. Again, you where right.

Thanks for the advice! smilesmile

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hahah shack i was being sarcastic, thought you might catch on - tough with the internet and all. wasn't offended at all smile

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would look at 2 things, the first being rod, for a med action rod, might want to look at med/ligh power with a fast or x-fast tip to it. As far as line I would go with Berkley XL or XT in 15-17 lb test...also maybe play them out a little more and make sure you aren't horseing them in and let your drag work in your favor

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you line does not break, lost fish can easily be traced to 2 things.

Rule #1... Sharp hooks catch more fish.

Nothing is more basic, and more overlooked, than the hook.

A good hook-up is the start and finish of landing a fish. Sharp hooks are a must, check them often and sharpen or replace as needed. Carry a good hook sharpener, and use it. Carry an assortment of replacement hooks, especially for crank baits.

As was mentioned already rods are about the second most important choice you can make to up your hook-ups and success in landing that fish.

With a no stretch super braid line a longer more forgiving rod, in a moderate action, holds fish more securely. They are more forgiving as long as you keep steady pressure on the hooked fish. In general, a rod that is too stiff allows for slack, that allows for Miss Piggy to shake free.

I hope this helps out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Going back to the light tackle vs heavy tackle fish playing method. It's two totally different way of fishing. In likeness to light tackle, you pull rod up to pull fish, ease up on the rod load and crank up the line. In likeness to heavy tackle, all you have to do is keep rod at the correct position and crank up line. There shouldn't be slack in your line. Sometimes it happens, but sometimes it maybe more fish playing skills need to be honed or gear wasn't set up properly (especially drag quality/smoothness).

It's true that a forgiving rod will take the load of the fish fighting. That's where even small light weight reels with the cranking power of heavy tackle can really assist in the fish fighting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Posts

    • Lots of different fish to chase in that lake. Just switch up your target fish and try something different.


    • Minnesota DNR News
      For Immediate Release:
      July 21, 2017
      In This Issue

      Conserving Mille Lacs walleye population requires regulation changes

      Mille Lacs Lake Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for summer 2017

      Conserving Mille Lacs walleye population requires regulation changes

      Walleye fishing on Mille Lacs Lake will remain closed until Aug. 11 to protect the walleye fishery, and ensure its long-term health and sustainability into the future

      To extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest on Mille Lacs 

      New solutions are being sought to rebuild and sustain a healthy Mille Lacs walleye fishery

      New fisheries data collected by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources show the total safe harvest allocation for walleyes on Mille Lacs Lake (44,800 pounds) has already been exceeded this season. To protect the fishery and ensure the long-term sustainability of Mille Lacs Lake’s walleye population, the DNR announced today that walleye fishing will remain closed until Friday, Aug. 11.

      In order to extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest. Catch-and-release walleye fishing will run from Friday, Aug. 11, through Monday, Sept. 4, for the Labor Day weekend. Walleye fishing will then be closed from Tuesday, Sept. 5, through Thursday, Nov. 30.

      As these regulation changes were announced, Minnesota DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr reiterated the state’s commitment to rebuilding and sustaining a healthy walleye fishery in Mille Lacs Lake.

      “Improving the walleye population in Mille Lacs is a top priority for the DNR,” Landwehr said. “We deeply regret the hardships these new regulations will cause for anglers and business owners. But they are essential to protect and enhance the future of walleye fishing in the lake for future generations. We will continue doing everything we can to understand the challenges facing the walleye fishery, and take whatever actions we can to resolve this very difficult situation.”

      Landwehr and DNR fisheries chief Don Pereira noted that allowing for additional catch-and-release fishing in August is essential for area anglers, businesses, and Mille Lacs area communities. The decision to allow for this additional harvest was made with input from the Mille Lacs Fisheries Advisory Committee.

      “We want to allow as much walleye fishing on Mille Lacs as possible,” Pereira said. “So even though state anglers already have caught their quota of fish, the DNR will dip into the allowed conservation overage to reopen the season on Aug. 11.”

      Through the closure, anglers on Mille Lacs Lake may fish for all other species in the lake including bass, muskellunge and northern pike. When fishing for other species, only artificial baits and lures will be allowed in possession, except for anglers targeting northern pike or muskie, who may fish with sucker minnows longer than 8 inches.

      A prohibition on night fishing will remain in place from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. through Nov. 30. However, anglers may fish for muskie and northern pike at night, but may only use artificial lures longer than 8 inches or sucker minnows longer than 8 inches. Bowfishing for rough fish also is allowed at night but possession of angling equipment is not allowed and only rough fish may be in possession.

      Understanding walleye fishing quotas on Mille Lacs this year, and why that quota was reached earlier than predicted
      The DNR and the Chippewa bands that cooperatively manage Mille Lacs Lake agreed this year to harvest quotas of 44,800 pounds for state anglers and 19,200 pounds for tribal fishing. They also agreed that up to 75,000 pounds of walleye could be harvested from the lake from Dec. 1, 2016 to Nov. 30, 2017.

      That agreement allows the state to use a built-in buffer – the 11,000 pounds difference between the 75,000 pounds conservation cap and the 64,000 pounds combined harvest quotas – in an attempt to allow catch-and-release walleye fishing through Labor Day, following the mid-summer closure. Bi-weekly creel surveys show that state anglers already have reached their quota.

      “The DNR is using its full allotment to maximize opportunities to fish for walleye on Mille Lacs without violating our agreement,” Pereira said. “The DNR, just like area businesses, would greatly prefer to not have fishing restrictions in place. But sustaining and stabilizing Mille Lacs’ walleye population is our primary obligation and public responsibility.”

      Continuing the walleye fishing closure will reduce the number of fish that die after being caught and released, a condition known as hooking mortality. The likelihood of fish suffering hooking mortality increases as water temperatures warm.

      High walleye catch rates on Mille Lacs have increased DNR fishing projections. A hot walleye bite attracted more anglers to the lake, resulting in angler effort that is about double what it was in 2016.

      “Cooler than normal temperatures kept hooking mortality rates low, but more anglers fished Mille Lacs, particularly catching walleye longer than 20 inches,” Pereira said. “That increased the poundage of fish caught and put us over our walleye quota.”

      According to the DNR, bigger fish are biting, in part, because there is a shortage of food for larger walleye. Last fall’s assessment showed that larger walleye were thinner than average.

      Mille Lacs’ hot bite also reflects the findings of studies done in many other fisheries that show catchability actually increases when fish population drops. In Mille Lacs, walleye congregate in preferred spots rather than disperse evenly throughout the lake. Fewer fish in the lake means there is more room in the preferred spots for fish to gather, creating a situation where a larger percentage of the population is in position to be caught rather than gathering in a less preferred but less fished area.

      More information about Mille Lacs Lake, the regulation adjustments and management of the fishery is available on the DNR page at www.mndnr.gov/millelacslake.

      New solutions are being sought to improve and sustain a healthy walleye fishery
      The DNR announced in June that a new external review team of scientists will take a fresh look at Mille Lacs Lake’s walleye fishery, using all of the best science available to gain a better understanding of the lake. This new review, led by walleye expert Dr. Chris Vandergoot of the U.S. Geological Survey, will provide additional recommendations to improve fisheries management of the lake, and contribute to a long-term solution to improving and sustaining a healthy walleye fishery for future generations. The group’s report is expected in time to help guide and inform fisheries management decisions for the 2018 season.

      DNR encourages Minnesotans to fish for other abundant species on Mille Lacs Lake
      As today’s walleye fishing regulation changes were announced, the DNR encouraged all Minnesotans to visit Mille Lacs Lake to fish the other abundant species that the lake has to offer. Mille Lacs Lake’s other opportunities for top-notch fishing will not be affected by the regulation adjustment.

      Bassmaster Magazine named Mille Lacs the nation’s best bass lake in June and will send 50 of the country’s best anglers to the lake In September for its Angler of the Year tournament. Northern pike abound in Mille Lacs, along with muskellunge. In early July, a woman from southern Minnesota caught and released in Mille Lacs what may have been Minnesota’s largest-ever muskellunge.

      To learn more about Mille Lacs Lake and its many great fishing opportunities, visit the DNR page. To plan visit to the Mille Lacs area, visit the Mille Lacs Area Tourism Council page.

      ###

      Mille Lacs Lake Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for summer 2017
      Q: What is happening with the walleye season this summer on Mille Lacs Lake?

      A: The closure that began July 8 and was set to end July 28 is being extended by two weeks. That means walleye fishing will reopen at 6:01 a.m. on Aug. 11 for catch-and-release only through Labor Day. A night fishing closure also will remain in place from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. through Nov. 30.

      Q: How does this affect fishing for other species?

      A: Fishing regulations for other species such as smallmouth bass, muskie and northern pike remain the same. During the night closure, there is an exception for muskie and northern pike anglers using artificial lures and sucker minnows longer than 8 inches.

      Q: Why did the DNR extend the closure?

      A: While the DNR wants to allow as much walleye fishing on Mille Lacs as possible, the state is also required to abide by cooperative agreements made with eight American Indian Chippewa bands. The two weeks of additional closure allows the state to abide by a harvest quota set earlier this year with the bands.

      The DNR and the bands agreed to harvest quotas of 44,800 pounds for state anglers and 19,200 pounds for tribal fishing. They also agreed that up to 75,000 pounds of walleye could be sustainably harvested from the lake from Dec. 1, 2016 to Nov. 30, 2017 in order to conserve the population

      That agreement allows the state to use a built-in buffer – the 11,000 pounds difference between the conservation cap of 75,000 pounds and the combined harvest quota of 64,000 pounds – in an attempt to allow catch-and-release walleye fishing through Labor Day, following the mid-summer closure.

      The latest creel survey data shows that state anglers reached their quota of 44,800 pounds of walleye caught from Mille Lacs in early July. Even though state anglers already have caught their quota of fish, the DNR is dipping into the allowed conservation reserve in order to reopen the season on Aug. 11.

      Q: Why has the walleye population in Mille Lacs declined? What is the DNR doing in the long-term to try to conserve the population?

      A: The vast majority of walleye that hatch do not survive to their third autumn in the lake. Walleye numbers have declined to the point that it has become important to protect spawning-sized walleye, particularly the class of walleye that hatched in 2013. It is important to protect the large 2013 year class to replenish aging spawning stock.  Most males from the 2013 class are now mature, but females will not start to contribute in large numbers until next spring. The state is committed to conserving the population of walleyes born in 2013 to improve and rebuild a sustainable population for the future.

      Q: Why do we count hooking mortality during a closed walleye season?

      A: The amount that state anglers can kill (as spelled out in state-bands agreements) also must include fish that die as a result of hooking mortality, the fish that die after being caught and then released back into the water. During the closure, some anglers still catch walleye incidentally and some of those fish die after being released. Under the state-band agreements, those dead fish must be calculated and counted against the state’s allocation.

      Q: How did this cooperative management between the state and the bands of Mille Lacs Lake come to be?   

      A: Recall that in 1999, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld lower-court decisions that allowed the Mille Lacs band and seven other Chippewa bands to exercise off-reservation fishing and hunting rights. The lower federal court also set up guidelines, known as stipulations and protocols, for both sides to follow. These stipulations and protocols provide a framework for how the bands and the state must work cooperatively to manage shared natural resources, including Mille Lacs fish.  In their agreements, the DNR and the bands are required to annually establish the number of walleye that can safely be harvested from Mille Lacs while ensuring sufficient remaining walleye in the lake for a healthy fishery.

      Q: If the walleye population is in decline, why are anglers catching so many?

      A: Fish are biting for two reasons. First, there is a shortage of food for larger walleye. Last fall’s assessment showed that larger walleye were thinner than average. Second, studies in many fisheries show that catchability actually increases when fish population decline.

      In Mille Lacs, walleye congregate in preferred spots rather than disperse evenly throughout the lake. Fewer fish in the lake means there’s more room in the preferred spots for fish to gather, and anglers find these spots where they can catch a larger portion of fish. Finally, while the walleye population has decreased considerably (by half or more), the amount of fishing pressure has declined by a lot more. This means that there are more walleye per angler fishing Mille Lacs today.

      Q: How is the DNR using science and research to help the walleye population?

      A: Mille Lacs Lake is the most studied lake in Minnesota. It is also a complex and changing system. The agency conducts a large number of surveys on the lake annually. These surveys include assessing the abundance of young walleye; setting 52 nets to assess adult abundance; using fine-mesh nets each summer to determine abundance of food (prey fish) for walleye; and using interviews with anglers around the lake (called creel surveys) to estimate the number of fish anglers are catching. The DNR also periodically tags walleye and other species to provide actual population estimates. We are tagging bass this year in cooperation with angling groups, and will be tagging walleye in 2018 and 2019 when the 2013 year class will be reaching full maturity.

      Q: What is the purpose of the external review the DNR has initiated?

      A: The DNR has asked Dr. Chris Vandergoot to lead an independent review of the DNR’s scientific approaches to manage Mille Lacs Lake. Vandergoot is a key member of the international team that co-manages a very significant walleye fishery in Lake Erie. He works for the U.S. Geological Survey in the Sandusky Lake Erie Biological station in Ohio. His review report will be available to the public in early 2018 and will help inform fisheries management decisions for the 2018 season.

      Q: What does the future look like for Mille Lacs walleye?

      A: It is unlikely that Mille Lacs walleye production will return to the levels that state anglers enjoyed over 20 years ago.  The ecosystem of Mille Lacs is going through extreme change, starting with increased water clarity in the mid-1990s, to impacts today from aquatic invasive species such as spiny water flea and zebra mussels. Longer growing seasons are also helping some species such as smallmouth bass but may be hurting others. While walleye will still be abundant, the future fishery will be more diverse, offering angling opportunities for a greater variety of fish.

      ###
    • Lots of politics.  Probably more info in the mille lacs section 
    • Great info!  I haven't done much trout fishing outside of lake trout, so can you tell me if you're allowed to keep any or all of these fish or is it a catch and release fishery only?
    • So what is going on with Mille Lacs?
    • Anyone have any experiance with these?   http://northernlightsrattlereel.com/    
    • Anyone have any experiance with these?   http://northernlightsrattlereel.com/    
    • They were on right. Just rusted up. I took a sander and cleaned up the blades and auger touched up the flighting with some rustolem gloss black.    What I'm trying to figure out is if the blade mout on this jiffy jet is bent or normal. I'm thinking they are fine/correct. They look like they should be a flat blade, but are curved slightly......It looks like a hybrid between a shaver blade & a lazer blade.    Once I cleaned up the blade I turned them on a sheet of plastic and it cut in well. Guess I'll have to wait until ice to see. 
    •   No just got stickers and stuff sent when I bought stuff. A few years ago I emailed some companies asking for stickers and they sent them free of charge. Used them on my Ice rod case, vexilar pak, and stuff so I could tell which one was mine since others had some of the same gear. Those were leftover stickers so I put them on the Mini fridge. Salmo sent some sweet stickers that were measuring tapes. Put one of those on the counter to measure fish & has a lot of info on it.
  • Our Sponsors