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glenn57

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so what does eveyone think? did the price of gas determine if you applied for a license or not. if you got one will it decide if you go or not? kind of odd my family applied as 2 seperate groups, 1 got drawn the other didnt, fortunately i got drawn. we forgot to apply last year thats why im surprised we got one and thats why i think the price of things had an effect on applicants. im hoping theres not a lot of activity in the area i hunt, kind of selfish but its been crowded for quite some time. just looking for some feedback.

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Glenn,

I think that is the issue on a lot of sportsmen's minds this year. Fewer trips for a longer duration may be the answer. That's what I've done for years.

I definately won't be baiting if I can find time to hunt bear at all. If I go I'll most certainly be no quota, in an area where I'm remote, away from hoards of other bear hunters, in an area where there is corn and oats, and doing bacon and honey burns.

I don't have the time, cash, or even the desire to bait for bear anymore. I like the thrill of "hunting" them. Trying new areas with scent bombs, stalking them in corn fields, following well worn trails into deep timber, etc.

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well i will probably be going no quota and driving farther then i ever have for bear. I will staying dedicated even with gas prices going up.

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i will be hunting area 26. i also have been kind of reading on here about the scent bombs and need to look into it a bit more. does anyone know where to find them or its cost? baiting is a lot of work but its kind of a rush to walk up to the bait station to see it got hit. im just getting tired of people coming in and trying to tell me they have been hunting here for years when i know for a fact thats not the case. the first 2-3 times i bear hunted, and ive hunted the same spots since 1975 there was noone bear hunting. i really dont have the time to stalk and hunt them, bait seems easier, there there or not but that sounds like that could be interesting.

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There was a thread on another bear site about scent bombs. Nobody there had any luck with them. I used one on an established bait that was hit daily. The night I used one nothing came in. Sometimes a new smell will make them wary so that may have been the problem.

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The thing with establised bait sites is if you start with scent bombs, balls, sprays ect, is to keep them separate an constant, adding a new scent in the middle of baiting will tend to make a mature bear more wary than he already is. That was my mistake last year, i try this scent an that scent an burn this whilr I hunted an that while I hunted, adding a new sweet bait is a good thing to not burn him out but a new scent seems to make him think alot before approaching the site. I've tried the scent bomb once, ONCE. waste of money, I''d prefer to use the scent sticks that burn for about two hours in berry, two miles of dead fish an anise, if a guys was to hunt in a manner described above. The scent bomb sprays fore about ten seconds an thats that. Boar

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we use a combo of old grease and molasses. put it in a squirt bottle and freshen up the area each time we rebait. the one thing i noticed in the previos posts and will remember is not to all of a sudden add a new scent to the bait area. makes a lot of sense.

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I guess I should've worded that differently. I didn't realize there was an actual product called scent bomb. What I meant was a bacon burn, or sweet smelling anice water sprayed into the trees with a super soaker squirt gun. I've even put the contents of a can of Kipper Snacks, or tuna fish on a log and watched small bears come running. That stuff smells really strong.

Actually Glenn, spot and stalk hunting is far less time consuming, and costs nothing compared to baiting. You don't have to spend the time and money required to collect bait. You don't have to keep driving out to your spot every day, or every other day to refreshen your bait pile. You can simply do your research from home, get permission to hunt the land you're interested in, and go out and hunt.

Watch for bear crossing roads into standing corn, or oats. They love oats. On windy or wet days you can get pretty close to a bear in standing fields. You can also see where bear cross roads or under fences and ambush them on their way to and from a feeding area.

Baiting is expensive and time consuming, not to mention the price of the tag. Your odds of filling your tag are WAY better if you're baiting, but I'd be willing to bet you'll get way more satisfaction from actually stalking, "hunting" and harvesting the animal, vs. simply feeding it for two weeks then shooting it.

I'm still hoping to spot and stalk a B & C bear in the corn with a bow and arrow. What a thrill! That's hunting!

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I guess I should've worded that differently. I didn't realize there was an actual product called scent bomb. What I meant was a bacon burn, or sweet smelling anice water sprayed into the trees with a super soaker squirt gun. I've even put the contents of a can of Kipper Snacks, or tuna fish on a log and watched small bears come running. That stuff smells really strong.

Actually Glenn, spot and stalk hunting is far less time consuming, and costs nothing compared to baiting. You don't have to spend the time and money required to collect bait. You don't have to keep driving out to your spot every day, or every other day to refreshen your bait pile. You can simply do your research from home, get permission to hunt the land you're interested in, and go out and hunt.

Watch for bear crossing roads into standing corn, or oats. They love oats. On windy or wet days you can get pretty close to a bear in standing fields. You can also see where bear cross roads or under fences and ambush them on their way to and from a feeding area.

Baiting is expensive and time consuming, not to mention the price of the tag. Your odds of filling your tag are WAY better if you're baiting, but I'd be willing to bet you'll get way more satisfaction from actually stalking, "hunting" and harvesting the animal, vs. simply feeding it for two weeks then shooting it.

I'm still hoping to spot and stalk a B & C bear in the corn with a bow and arrow. What a thrill! That's hunting!

Simply feeding it for 2 weeks and shooting it? Where do you hunt? Sounds a lot like P.E.T.A. rhetoric to me.

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i hunt near talmoon. are you refering to the group- people eating tasty animals?

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I was only pointing out an alternative to baiting. The topic was pointed toward more cost effective means of hunting, and I was sharing a possibility.

I guess I'm kind of a purist when it comes to the outdoors. I don't sit well in stand for long periods of time. I get bored. I love to walk stealthily around the woods.

I did not attempt to offend anyone here. I merely prefer to actively hunt game and fish.

Baiting for weeks on end is expensive and time consuming. P.E.T.A. rhetoric? I don't think so. Fair chase. Definately.

I may not fill a tag every year, but I certainly save hundreds of dollars by skipping the baiting detail.

Frankly, I guess I'm at that stage where my hunting success is not necessarily determined by what I kill, so much as how much I enjoy the actual hunting.

If you feel it's necessary to label me for that, then you'll likely find yourself lumping a large percentage of the hunting community into the same category.

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canopy sam, i hope you dont think im knocking your style of hunting? i actually admire it, seems to be thedaniel boone way, cool. baiting isnt always gauranteed, at first ithuoght it was but the last 3 hunts i never got one. you can give them a 9-course meal at the bait but if they have lotz of natural foods bait stations are a novelty to them. and as far as peta, they can go.........well yo know. i prefer to call it population control.

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I took a nice bear (280 pounds field dressed) about 4 miles from Talmoon several years ago.

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Canopy Sam, Your statement about "simply baiting it for 2 weeks and shooting it" is what I am referring to. That is what anti-hunters say about baiting bear. I have been doing Black Bear research for about 5 years. More specifically mature boar Black Bear research. Spot and stalk is not possible everywhere. Baiting is the only successful management tool for Black Bear population in many areas. I do not need to take game for a hunt to be successful either but a certain percentage of bear need to be harvested each year. I appreciate the hunters who put in the hard work and time to bait bear, even though approximately 70% of them go home empty handed every year.. There is nothing unethical or wrong about hunting bear over bait.

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Bogwalker,

Again, I apologize if I offended anyone by my remarks above. I am not saying it's unethical or wrong to bait bear, although many dispute the same practice with White-tailed deer, and frankly I don't see a big delineation there.

None-the-less, I simply enjoy the actual challenge of the hunt. Like I said, I've baited bear myself, and I know that there is a much higher percentage of bear taken by this method. They are remarkably skiddish animals and accutely aware of their surroundings at all times. Like hunting deer, that's what makes the fair chase all the more exciting, and rewarding when successfully taking an animal.

I truly admire, and envy your work with these animals. I wonder if you and I have spoken before. Do work with the DNR in Grand Rapids?

I would have to respectfully disagree with you about spot and stalk not working in every situation. I believe that our forefathers spot and stalked everything from squirrels to Grizzlies. I doubt anyone even thought of baiting big game prior to 1900, and I don't suppose the land was overrun with bears at the time. It's really only a matter of using all of our senses and putting in enough time to really get to know the animal.

I've spoken to many accomplished hunters who admit they never took a trophy animal until they really "learned" how to hunt them. I think I've got deer pretty much figured out now, and I'm still working on bear.

I'm just theorizing here, but I think bear often get conditioned to bait stations, and almost immediately go nocturnal, if they're not already. I know I had a big boar working my bait station last year south of Grand Rapids. Later I found out he was cleaning out bait stations for miles around every night.

I think the same holds true for white-tailed deer. You simply don't see giant bear and deer wandering around out in the open during the day - ever. I suppose that's why baiting is so much more effective.

Snow geese are another example. Research has shown that these birds can live up to 20 years. They've clearly adapted to hunting pressure by moving in mass numbers with the eldest, most experienced birds leading the flight.

Anyway, I am not for, or in support of PETA. Although I do believe that all creatures should be treated ethically, the Bible clearly tells us that God gave us dominion over all the living animals of this world. He told us to eat them and use them as nourishment. That's why it's so frustrating to see it become so expensive to do so!

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bogwalker, we are 7 miles west of talmoon by spring lake. wre abouts did ya get it? i know the area pretty well. if ya dont mind saying cause its not going to play a part in me changing where i bait.

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glenn57, That year I hunted about 4 miles W.N.W. of Talmoon.

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sooo, my guess would be up cty road 134 i believe. the road goes north back to i think lacriox lake to name one and becomes a minimum maintanence road. theres a power line there also. am i close?

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glenn57, Where exactly is your bait located?

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i bait near north elementary school, a safe-legal distance, by the sand lake cemetery area and up on cty road rd 29 towards wirt off 4. we are on peterson lake near spring lake store. how about you?

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Talmoon is a bit far with gas at over $4.00 per gallon, that area is getting a lot of hunting pressure too. Big Falls has a good bear population and less hunting pressure.

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i once worked with a guy that still hunts big falls area. big falls would even be further for me. im hoping the gas prices reduce that pressure this year.

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    • Minnesota DNR News
      For Immediate Release:
      July 21, 2017
      In This Issue

      Conserving Mille Lacs walleye population requires regulation changes

      Mille Lacs Lake Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for summer 2017

      Conserving Mille Lacs walleye population requires regulation changes

      Walleye fishing on Mille Lacs Lake will remain closed until Aug. 11 to protect the walleye fishery, and ensure its long-term health and sustainability into the future

      To extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest on Mille Lacs 

      New solutions are being sought to rebuild and sustain a healthy Mille Lacs walleye fishery

      New fisheries data collected by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources show the total safe harvest allocation for walleyes on Mille Lacs Lake (44,800 pounds) has already been exceeded this season. To protect the fishery and ensure the long-term sustainability of Mille Lacs Lake’s walleye population, the DNR announced today that walleye fishing will remain closed until Friday, Aug. 11.

      In order to extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest. Catch-and-release walleye fishing will run from Friday, Aug. 11, through Monday, Sept. 4, for the Labor Day weekend. Walleye fishing will then be closed from Tuesday, Sept. 5, through Thursday, Nov. 30.

      As these regulation changes were announced, Minnesota DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr reiterated the state’s commitment to rebuilding and sustaining a healthy walleye fishery in Mille Lacs Lake.

      “Improving the walleye population in Mille Lacs is a top priority for the DNR,” Landwehr said. “We deeply regret the hardships these new regulations will cause for anglers and business owners. But they are essential to protect and enhance the future of walleye fishing in the lake for future generations. We will continue doing everything we can to understand the challenges facing the walleye fishery, and take whatever actions we can to resolve this very difficult situation.”

      Landwehr and DNR fisheries chief Don Pereira noted that allowing for additional catch-and-release fishing in August is essential for area anglers, businesses, and Mille Lacs area communities. The decision to allow for this additional harvest was made with input from the Mille Lacs Fisheries Advisory Committee.

      “We want to allow as much walleye fishing on Mille Lacs as possible,” Pereira said. “So even though state anglers already have caught their quota of fish, the DNR will dip into the allowed conservation overage to reopen the season on Aug. 11.”

      Through the closure, anglers on Mille Lacs Lake may fish for all other species in the lake including bass, muskellunge and northern pike. When fishing for other species, only artificial baits and lures will be allowed in possession, except for anglers targeting northern pike or muskie, who may fish with sucker minnows longer than 8 inches.

      A prohibition on night fishing will remain in place from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. through Nov. 30. However, anglers may fish for muskie and northern pike at night, but may only use artificial lures longer than 8 inches or sucker minnows longer than 8 inches. Bowfishing for rough fish also is allowed at night but possession of angling equipment is not allowed and only rough fish may be in possession.

      Understanding walleye fishing quotas on Mille Lacs this year, and why that quota was reached earlier than predicted
      The DNR and the Chippewa bands that cooperatively manage Mille Lacs Lake agreed this year to harvest quotas of 44,800 pounds for state anglers and 19,200 pounds for tribal fishing. They also agreed that up to 75,000 pounds of walleye could be harvested from the lake from Dec. 1, 2016 to Nov. 30, 2017.

      That agreement allows the state to use a built-in buffer – the 11,000 pounds difference between the 75,000 pounds conservation cap and the 64,000 pounds combined harvest quotas – in an attempt to allow catch-and-release walleye fishing through Labor Day, following the mid-summer closure. Bi-weekly creel surveys show that state anglers already have reached their quota.

      “The DNR is using its full allotment to maximize opportunities to fish for walleye on Mille Lacs without violating our agreement,” Pereira said. “The DNR, just like area businesses, would greatly prefer to not have fishing restrictions in place. But sustaining and stabilizing Mille Lacs’ walleye population is our primary obligation and public responsibility.”

      Continuing the walleye fishing closure will reduce the number of fish that die after being caught and released, a condition known as hooking mortality. The likelihood of fish suffering hooking mortality increases as water temperatures warm.

      High walleye catch rates on Mille Lacs have increased DNR fishing projections. A hot walleye bite attracted more anglers to the lake, resulting in angler effort that is about double what it was in 2016.

      “Cooler than normal temperatures kept hooking mortality rates low, but more anglers fished Mille Lacs, particularly catching walleye longer than 20 inches,” Pereira said. “That increased the poundage of fish caught and put us over our walleye quota.”

      According to the DNR, bigger fish are biting, in part, because there is a shortage of food for larger walleye. Last fall’s assessment showed that larger walleye were thinner than average.

      Mille Lacs’ hot bite also reflects the findings of studies done in many other fisheries that show catchability actually increases when fish population drops. In Mille Lacs, walleye congregate in preferred spots rather than disperse evenly throughout the lake. Fewer fish in the lake means there is more room in the preferred spots for fish to gather, creating a situation where a larger percentage of the population is in position to be caught rather than gathering in a less preferred but less fished area.

      More information about Mille Lacs Lake, the regulation adjustments and management of the fishery is available on the DNR page at www.mndnr.gov/millelacslake.

      New solutions are being sought to improve and sustain a healthy walleye fishery
      The DNR announced in June that a new external review team of scientists will take a fresh look at Mille Lacs Lake’s walleye fishery, using all of the best science available to gain a better understanding of the lake. This new review, led by walleye expert Dr. Chris Vandergoot of the U.S. Geological Survey, will provide additional recommendations to improve fisheries management of the lake, and contribute to a long-term solution to improving and sustaining a healthy walleye fishery for future generations. The group’s report is expected in time to help guide and inform fisheries management decisions for the 2018 season.

      DNR encourages Minnesotans to fish for other abundant species on Mille Lacs Lake
      As today’s walleye fishing regulation changes were announced, the DNR encouraged all Minnesotans to visit Mille Lacs Lake to fish the other abundant species that the lake has to offer. Mille Lacs Lake’s other opportunities for top-notch fishing will not be affected by the regulation adjustment.

      Bassmaster Magazine named Mille Lacs the nation’s best bass lake in June and will send 50 of the country’s best anglers to the lake In September for its Angler of the Year tournament. Northern pike abound in Mille Lacs, along with muskellunge. In early July, a woman from southern Minnesota caught and released in Mille Lacs what may have been Minnesota’s largest-ever muskellunge.

      To learn more about Mille Lacs Lake and its many great fishing opportunities, visit the DNR page. To plan visit to the Mille Lacs area, visit the Mille Lacs Area Tourism Council page.

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      Mille Lacs Lake Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for summer 2017
      Q: What is happening with the walleye season this summer on Mille Lacs Lake?

      A: The closure that began July 8 and was set to end July 28 is being extended by two weeks. That means walleye fishing will reopen at 6:01 a.m. on Aug. 11 for catch-and-release only through Labor Day. A night fishing closure also will remain in place from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. through Nov. 30.

      Q: How does this affect fishing for other species?

      A: Fishing regulations for other species such as smallmouth bass, muskie and northern pike remain the same. During the night closure, there is an exception for muskie and northern pike anglers using artificial lures and sucker minnows longer than 8 inches.

      Q: Why did the DNR extend the closure?

      A: While the DNR wants to allow as much walleye fishing on Mille Lacs as possible, the state is also required to abide by cooperative agreements made with eight American Indian Chippewa bands. The two weeks of additional closure allows the state to abide by a harvest quota set earlier this year with the bands.

      The DNR and the bands agreed to harvest quotas of 44,800 pounds for state anglers and 19,200 pounds for tribal fishing. They also agreed that up to 75,000 pounds of walleye could be sustainably harvested from the lake from Dec. 1, 2016 to Nov. 30, 2017 in order to conserve the population

      That agreement allows the state to use a built-in buffer – the 11,000 pounds difference between the conservation cap of 75,000 pounds and the combined harvest quota of 64,000 pounds – in an attempt to allow catch-and-release walleye fishing through Labor Day, following the mid-summer closure.

      The latest creel survey data shows that state anglers reached their quota of 44,800 pounds of walleye caught from Mille Lacs in early July. Even though state anglers already have caught their quota of fish, the DNR is dipping into the allowed conservation reserve in order to reopen the season on Aug. 11.

      Q: Why has the walleye population in Mille Lacs declined? What is the DNR doing in the long-term to try to conserve the population?

      A: The vast majority of walleye that hatch do not survive to their third autumn in the lake. Walleye numbers have declined to the point that it has become important to protect spawning-sized walleye, particularly the class of walleye that hatched in 2013. It is important to protect the large 2013 year class to replenish aging spawning stock.  Most males from the 2013 class are now mature, but females will not start to contribute in large numbers until next spring. The state is committed to conserving the population of walleyes born in 2013 to improve and rebuild a sustainable population for the future.

      Q: Why do we count hooking mortality during a closed walleye season?

      A: The amount that state anglers can kill (as spelled out in state-bands agreements) also must include fish that die as a result of hooking mortality, the fish that die after being caught and then released back into the water. During the closure, some anglers still catch walleye incidentally and some of those fish die after being released. Under the state-band agreements, those dead fish must be calculated and counted against the state’s allocation.

      Q: How did this cooperative management between the state and the bands of Mille Lacs Lake come to be?   

      A: Recall that in 1999, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld lower-court decisions that allowed the Mille Lacs band and seven other Chippewa bands to exercise off-reservation fishing and hunting rights. The lower federal court also set up guidelines, known as stipulations and protocols, for both sides to follow. These stipulations and protocols provide a framework for how the bands and the state must work cooperatively to manage shared natural resources, including Mille Lacs fish.  In their agreements, the DNR and the bands are required to annually establish the number of walleye that can safely be harvested from Mille Lacs while ensuring sufficient remaining walleye in the lake for a healthy fishery.

      Q: If the walleye population is in decline, why are anglers catching so many?

      A: Fish are biting for two reasons. First, there is a shortage of food for larger walleye. Last fall’s assessment showed that larger walleye were thinner than average. Second, studies in many fisheries show that catchability actually increases when fish population decline.

      In Mille Lacs, walleye congregate in preferred spots rather than disperse evenly throughout the lake. Fewer fish in the lake means there’s more room in the preferred spots for fish to gather, and anglers find these spots where they can catch a larger portion of fish. Finally, while the walleye population has decreased considerably (by half or more), the amount of fishing pressure has declined by a lot more. This means that there are more walleye per angler fishing Mille Lacs today.

      Q: How is the DNR using science and research to help the walleye population?

      A: Mille Lacs Lake is the most studied lake in Minnesota. It is also a complex and changing system. The agency conducts a large number of surveys on the lake annually. These surveys include assessing the abundance of young walleye; setting 52 nets to assess adult abundance; using fine-mesh nets each summer to determine abundance of food (prey fish) for walleye; and using interviews with anglers around the lake (called creel surveys) to estimate the number of fish anglers are catching. The DNR also periodically tags walleye and other species to provide actual population estimates. We are tagging bass this year in cooperation with angling groups, and will be tagging walleye in 2018 and 2019 when the 2013 year class will be reaching full maturity.

      Q: What is the purpose of the external review the DNR has initiated?

      A: The DNR has asked Dr. Chris Vandergoot to lead an independent review of the DNR’s scientific approaches to manage Mille Lacs Lake. Vandergoot is a key member of the international team that co-manages a very significant walleye fishery in Lake Erie. He works for the U.S. Geological Survey in the Sandusky Lake Erie Biological station in Ohio. His review report will be available to the public in early 2018 and will help inform fisheries management decisions for the 2018 season.

      Q: What does the future look like for Mille Lacs walleye?

      A: It is unlikely that Mille Lacs walleye production will return to the levels that state anglers enjoyed over 20 years ago.  The ecosystem of Mille Lacs is going through extreme change, starting with increased water clarity in the mid-1990s, to impacts today from aquatic invasive species such as spiny water flea and zebra mussels. Longer growing seasons are also helping some species such as smallmouth bass but may be hurting others. While walleye will still be abundant, the future fishery will be more diverse, offering angling opportunities for a greater variety of fish.

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