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Why, Why, Why do these people have so much control!!!

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By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Energy Policy: Thirty-two long years have passed since the U.S. had a new oil refinery. But a small South Dakota community wants to change that. Finally, some rational thinking.

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Union County, home to 12,584 in South Dakota's southeastern corner, voted 58% to 42% Tuesday to approve a request by Hyperion Energy to build a refinery north of Elk Point, the county seat of 1,855.

The facility, expected to turn out 400,000 barrels of ultralow-sulfur gasoline and diesel fuel a day, just might be the biggest thing to happen to the area.

As far as energy is concerned, it could be the biggest thing to happen to this nation since 1976, widely known as America's bicentennial year but less so as the date the last new oil refinery was built in the U.S. Since that refinery was built in Garyville, La., more than three decades ago, environmental groups have successfully bullied policymakers into blocking any new ones.

Meanwhile, America has gone from 301 refineries in 1982 to less than half that (149). The refining process is far more efficient today, yet output hasn't kept pace with demand. As domestic oil consumption has increased from 17 million barrels a day in 1982 to nearly 21 million a day in 2007, the country now has to import 10% of the gasoline we burn. We just don't make enough.

Wonder no more why we've become so reliant on foreign crude to fuel our economy and have little choice but to do more business with unsavory characters than we should.

Though Union County supporters celebrated their win at the polls, the festivities might be a bit premature. Opponents say they won't give up. Having lost the both the legislative and public opinion wars, their attempts to tangle up the project are now limited to the courts and the bureaucratic permitting process. They have a long history of success to draw on that will not be easily countered.

The 3,932 Union County residents who voted in favor of the refinery probably weren't thinking about boosting domestic oil output as much as they were the economic benefits of having a refinery in town. Dallas-based Hyperion expects the project to bring a $10 billion investment to the area and provide as many as 4,500 construction jobs over four years after ground is broken in 2010.

Once fully operational, the refinery will need 1,826 full-time workers manning jobs whose wages will range from $20 to $30 an hour. Hyperion estimates the direct and indirect economic impact of the facility will total $13.7 billion a year.

But unlike foes who can't see beyond their contempt for what they derogatorily call Big Oil and their blind devotion to anti-capitalist environmentalism, the supporters are looking ahead. They saw clearly where their choices would lead.

We laud the good people of Union County. We wish there were more forward-looking people like that in this country. Too many don't understand that the price the developed world would have to pay to "green" the Earth would take human progress back decades.

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Why, Why, Why do these people have so much control!!!

Which people? The towns people that voted yes? Or the people who want to stop it?

I think this is a good thing, it shows that Americans are concerned with the oil crisis (maybe it shows that the town people like money more grin) and want to do something about it.

IMO, I think we need more towns like this to step up and be heard.

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That's what I thought you were saying. I hope that town has enough fight in em to stick with it.

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Unfortunately environmentalists have a lot of control; however they have just as many bullying tactics as anyone.

I like how this community has stood up and more or less said they are sick of it. I hope this facility does get built; hopefully it will be a catalyst for others to take charge and build more refineries.

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Finally, some rational thinking.

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Too many don't understand that the price the developed world would have to pay to "green" the Earth would take human progress back decades.

Said a mouthful there.

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I apologize..why do the ENVIRONMENTALISTS have so much power and money apparently.

I hope this is a willful & intentional misreading of the current environment (pun intended).

Sure, it has something to do with environmentalists if you want to talk about ANWR, but it has a LOT more to do with Not In My Back Yard (NIMBY) folks who want all that messy stuff to take place somewhere else .

I know environmentalists are a scary, scary, bunch, but please take off the blinders long enough to realize there are other forces in the world even darker & more terrifying...

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there are other forces in the world even darker & more terrifying...

Hippies!?! grin

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Meanwhile, America has gone from 301 refineries in 1982 to less than half that (149).

Hmmmmm ....who to blame..who to blame? The "enviromentalists"? crazy

How about the oil companies who voluntarily closed most of these refineries for increased profits??? It ain't rocket fuel science people. laugh

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Come on Duffman, quit letting facts get in the way of some good liberal bashing. wink

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Meanwhile, America has gone from 301 refineries in 1982 to less than half that (149).

Hmmmmm ....who to blame..who to blame? The "enviromentalists"? crazy

How about the oil companies who voluntarily closed most of these refineries for increased profits??? It ain't rocket fuel science people. laugh

ok. so let me wrap my mind around this statement. Hyperion Energy requested to be able to build an oil refinery. the voters said, go ahead. so the environmentalists threaten to go to court to block it. but in reality it's the oil companies fault why there has not been an oil refinery built????ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

so by your reasoning, if the environmentalists are successful in blocking it, it really is the fault of hyperion energy laughlaughlaughlaughlaugh

If this is blocked, there will be only one group to blame, and it sure as heck wont be Hyperion Energy

you do accept the fact that environmentalists deserve a certain amount of wrath at times as do oil companies, do you???

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Knock knock....anybody home? wink

Read my statement again and then get back to me.

i did read it. did you read the article???? from my gathering from what the article stated, it sounds like Hyperion Energy cant wait to build the refinery. Whose blocking them?????

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there are other forces in the world even darker & more terrifying...

Hippies!?! grin

I see more of them types in your neck of the woods than other places i have been. But then again I don't get out much.

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I see more of them types in your neck of the woods than other places i have been. But then again I don't get out much.

There are a few around here, but after living in CO and MT it doesn't even compare! grin

I can't tell you the disdain I have for bands like Stringcheese, Phish, The Dead, Widespread, etc., and the pachooly (sp?).............don't get me started grin

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TJ.....

I was only commenting on the little snippet I included from the article. In the last twenty five years the oil companies have been reducing the number of refineries voluntarily, of course no new ones have been built if this has been the case. It's all about the $$$$$, always has been, always will be.

Why aren't you guys raggin on the oil companies for their lack of keeping half of the refineries open rather than the tree huggers from keeping new ones from being built?????

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Knock knock....anybody home? wink

Read my statement again and then get back to me.

You only had one statement, "It ain't rocket fuel science people."

The rest were questions.

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after hurricane katrina, the oil companies were looking to build a refinery on an old military base in new jersey. can you guess who blocked it??? same thing in arizona. ANWAR, offshore drilling. can you guess who also blocked that? I'll give you a hint, it wasnt the oil companies

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Ahhhhh.....nevermind, I don't think we are on the same page. I made my point, some will get it, some won't. Carry on

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I honestly think Hyperion Energy realizes the mistakes the oil companies have made by closing these refineries and maybe, just maybe by doing this, some other oil companies will open their eyes and realize they goofed. Just a thought. All I know is something has to be done or the governments will be handing out food stamps to families with incomes of 80,000.

Duane

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tacklejunkie, drilling & refining are different operations.

My comment is solely based on the refinery that the people of this town approved of.

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ANWAR, offshore drilling. can you guess who also blocked that? I'll give you a hint, it wasnt the oil companies

TJ, if you're going to contradict yourself, don't do it in writing. smile

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ANWAR, offshore drilling. can you guess who also blocked that? I'll give you a hint, it wasnt the oil companies

TJ, if you're going to contradict yourself, don't do it in writing. smile

this statement was more of a general comment as it relates to both refinery building and exploration and drilling

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Why aren't you guys raggin on the oil companies for their lack of keeping half of the refineries open rather than the tree huggers from keeping new ones from being built?????

Why wouldn't an intelligent environmentalist understand that building a new, more efficient more environmentally friendly, and safer refinery be in everyones best interest? It aint rocket science......

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