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Ion x or Strikemaster lithium lazer

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If I remember correctly from the video they called it a centering ring?

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2 hours ago, DuckSlayer said:

Can the new cast piece on the ion x be removed? It looks like it's just an ad on from the original ion flighting. If so, maybe then it would stop icing up. Just an idea. Took bad they're having this problem,i was seriously considering buying one. I think I'll wait and see how this plays out. Thanks for the posts alerting to this problem.

 

The ring cannot be removed. The blades are mounted to it. 

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2 hours ago, DuckSlayer said:

Can the new cast piece on the ion x be removed? It looks like it's just an ad on from the original ion flighting. If so, maybe then it would stop icing up. Just an idea. Took bad they're having this problem,i was seriously considering buying one. I think I'll wait and see how this plays out. Thanks for the posts alerting to this problem.

From what I can tell - it is an outer ring but also has some inner flat area that is attached.  This also is support for the blades.   Like BassThumb stated I was out in single digits temps - about 6 degrees F.    I will post once I hear back from ION.

 

But form my testing it appears to be an issue once the auger is outside for extended periods of time.  But that is just my conclusion.

 

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6 hours ago, BassThumb. said:

 

The ring cannot be removed. The blades are mounted to it. 

 

I looked closer at the set up at FF today and came to the same conclusion.

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Update:  I spoke with ION support this morning about the auger tip freezing up.   They wanted more info (temps, ice thickness, snow depth...) which I provided and pictures that I had taken.   They are currently going over this with their engineers to see it they can recreate it.   I was very happy about their customer service - friendly and completely understanding of my issues and willing to send me a old auger bit style so I could use it until they get this resolved.   At this time I'm still concerned but I really do feel that they will make this right - just have to give them the time to address it.

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I am looking forward to the tech support explanation.  

 

My money is on what has previously been posted, the auger was set in the snow.  

 

Believe it or not, the blades warm up during cutting and are wet, and when the cutting head of the auger is set on snow, it freezes up like this.  

 

To resolve this, I use the blade guard to gently tap and scrape off the snow and ice build-up from the bottom of the blades. 

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KUDU, They have excellent service don't they, and the nicest people to talk to anywhere. All augers have freezing problems in the severe cold but, like you, that bottom plate worries me. 16 inches of snow expected Sunday so I may never get to try mine for a while.  

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Kudu63: I have a feeling that using the old auger (or a redesigned style) will be the only way to permanently resolve the issue. If the Ion X came with a standard-style auger head, it would be an excellent tool. I hope they go in that direction. 

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I have last years model,it also has a ring around the bottom. Only its green. Is there any other differences that make it ice up easily.

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  Also, there is  a ring on the bottom that reduces the blades from digging into sides of the old hole again keeping it on track.  If you’ve ever used a ringless auger design in re-drilling a hole, you have undoubtedly experienced when the flutes of the auger shaft violently pull you downward to the hole if the blade breaks through before making the old hole round.  A ring can reduce that effect.


That is why they have the ring on there.. 

 

My eskimo has the ring too but only time I ever had a problem with ice build up is when it was -27 and I just laid it in the snow

It still cut the next hole after it froze and all the ice busted off that sucks the ion is having problems

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just thought you guys might want to know what my choice was.  I ended up buying an ION X.  I can see how in real cold temps the blades can get filled up with ice.  But with that being said so far I am glad I bought the ion.

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That Eskimo is the same ring as the Ion and the old Ion and neither ever had an ice problem, I wonder if the difference isn't that ice sticks to cast easier than steel? (and partially user error) We've only seen the icing problem from a couple people so far but they obviously had a ton of ice on their drills.

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I think your right as far as sticking to the cast and I think part of it was sticking it in the snow or slush the temps I was fishing in was 30 and ice was just barely started to stick on it but chipped off easy so I am sure just drilling would have done the job

 

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Update:  I heard back from ION and they just sent me a new auger.  They claimed they had a batch of augers that did not have the correct finish on them.  I haven't used the new one yet as I just got it so I hope that resolves the issue.     I will try it out this week and report back on how it works.

 

Here is ION's quote:

A  limited batch of Ion X augers have a finishing treatment that may cause ice buildup on the bottom of the auger under certain conditions.

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On 12/17/2016 at 5:26 PM, BassThumb. said:

 

 

When it's really cold out it's hard to keep any auger blade area clear. I never seem to have much of an issue but I have chipper blades and a gas Mag 2000. A few things I do when I finish a hole Is rev it up and work it up and down in the water of the hole and then pull it out of the hole pretty fast keeping the rav's up. This flings off the slush and helps clear the hole a bit. Then I never set it on the ice or snow but place it back on the auger holder on the sled. That lets the water drip off and if the suns out it helps melt off any slush by the time I move to drill my next holes. Works well for me.;)

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2 hours ago, kudu63 said:

Update:  I heard back from ION and they just sent me a new auger.  They claimed they had a batch of augers that did not have the correct finish on them.  I haven't used the new one yet as I just got it so I hope that resolves the issue.     I will try it out this week and report back on how it works.

 

Here is ION's quote:

A  limited batch of Ion X augers have a finishing treatment that may cause ice buildup on the bottom of the auger under certain conditions.

 

That's interesting. I hope it resolves the issue as well.

 

I see there have been quite a bit of comments about "user error" leading to the issues I was having with the Ion X icing up. I assure you that I was doing the things that you're supposed to do with an auger: spin it after exiting the hole, setting it on a patch of clean ice, waxing the blades and flights, even facing the blades toward the sun to dry off. None of these were helping.

 

When the auger would ice up and stop cutting halfway into a hole, the blades and flights were spinning in a 4-12" thick pile of freshly drilled ice chips and slush. This would stick like glue to the friction-warmed blades and flights and coat the entire bottom with a thick layer of ice. It also gave people the impression that I was setting the auger in a tall snowbank after each hole was drilled. Admittedly, it did look like that, but that was not the case.

 

I would be surprised if my auger was not one of those with the defective coating. It was literally impossible to keep it ice-free while fishing, simply drilling holes through 5" of ice. I had a Jiffy and a Strikemaster gas before the Ion X, and rarely had issues that I couldn't fix in under a minute under extreme conditions with a couple taps from a wooden mallet.  I now have the Lithium Lazer and it has yet to Ice up in the slightest. I treated all 4 augers the same way. 

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They should be usable just like any other auger without having to worry about them icing up so darn easily. 

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The painted vs non painted centering ring might be the "finish" they referenced?

 

Something was different than past models.

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4 hours ago, Jim Uran said:

They should be usable just like any other auger without having to worry about them icing up so darn easily. 

Agreed. Especially since they're the most expensive auger on the market. We shouldn't have to baby them to prevent them from turning into an ice sculpture. 

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Kudu, is the ring on the new one black or painted? Can you visually see any difference?

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14 hours ago, Hawg said:

Kudu, is the ring on the new one black or painted? Can you visually see any difference?

The new one is black and appears to have some finish on it but I already had the old one boxed up so I really couldn't compare.  I know I should looked at them side by side but I didn't.

 

I did run into another issue when trying out the new auger they sent me with the correct finish.  I drilled about 4 holes and did not notice any real ice built up and then after one hole the auger would keep on spinning.  I noticed that the top switch on the handle was stuck down so I had to tap the handle to release it.  It did this for the next 3-4 holes and then finally it just quite working altogether.  So I sent ION another email - got a call this morning and they are sending me out a new switch that I can install.  I sure hope this is an isolated occurrence.  Their customer support is very understanding and willing to make this right.  Just hope this is my last issue.

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I've had the first one and the last years reverse one, then I just bought the new drill for the centering point. I've only used it twice this year in about 12-14 inches of ice. Mine have been absolutely foolproof up till now and that's the reason they get such high grades from previous owners. I'm curious if I got the bad coating also because this new drill just didn't seem like it was as smooth as the steel one from last year so I called them and left a message too. This one also stops my auger a couple times on each hole where the same head and the old drill never did that. That black cast iron just doesn't seem smooth like the steel did and I'm thinking cast just doesn't resist binding in ice like steel did. Unless they have an answer I'll probably just return the drill I bought to Reeds and figure out a center point, or live without it. I will say they have been very good about returning calls or answering the phone and taking immediate care of any problems. Thanks for the reply.

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It's nice to hear that they have good reviews on customer service, those are the folks that usually maintain business. I'm going in to the electric auger market before the end of this ice season, I love all of the choices out there. 

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On 1/2/2017 at 9:58 AM, BassThumb. said:

 

I now have the Lithium Lazer and it has yet to Ice up in the slightest.

 

I agree...... I've cut about 50 holes with my Strikemaster Lithium Lazer ( refurb )  I picked up this fall and it's worked flawlessly, haven't treated any different than a Jiffy 30.

 

Mike

 

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Here's a tip that we used to use at LOW to help to eliminate ice build-up on our old Strikemasters.  Our rule was this: after you drill your last hole, drill a half hole to clear the slush off of your blades.  Reversing the blade just gets your knees wet.

 

This weekend I headed up to my parents to go ice fishing.  I got up there Fri. at 2pm, wanted to hit the evening bite, and didn't have time to charge my batteries.  I do remember that I had them fully charged when I put them in the garage two years ago.  I'm thinking I'm going to get two or three holes tops.  I DRILLED 17 HOLES ON A BATTERY THAT HADN'T BEEN CHARGED IN TWO YEARS!!!  I'm liking these new Lithium Ion batteries :).

 

 

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