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So the Dems in the Senate are running a Filibuster right now to push some gun control

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Well then.....This is a bit interesting?  Or disconcerting I'm not sure exactly. 

I thought the two things they are trying to accomplish are already in place??  Granted I think they should work on those two possibly with their whole idea of immigration but that's just me.....

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) launched a talking filibuster on the Senate floor — which was quickly joined by fellow Democrats — in an effort to pressure Republicans to accept legislation that would deny suspected terrorists from purchasing firearms and require universal background checks.

The Senate is debating a spending bill that Democrats hope to offer gun amendments to, but Murphy said that the Senate should “not proceed with debate on amendments to this bill until we have figured out a way to come together on, at the very least, two simple ideas.”

 

“I’m going to remain on this floor until we get some signal, some sign that we can come together on these two measures, that we can get a path forward on addressing this epidemic in a meaningful, bipartisan way,” Murphy continued on the Senate floor on Wednesday, after he first started his filibuster at about 11:20 a.m.

Most of the Democratic caucus was unaware of Murphy's plans until he took the floor, two senior aides said, though there had been some talk Tuesday about lining up speeches throughout the night Wednesday.

At the same time, Sens. John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) are exploring whether there is common ground on a deal to prevent suspected terrorists from buying firearms. Currently, the two parties are backing very different approaches to resolving instances where someone feels they've been wrongly put on a watch list and therefore cannot purchase a gun.

Talks to reconcile those different approaches began on Tuesday and Cornyn dismissed the Democratic filibuster as "filling the dead air" while the two parties negotiate.

"This is a lot more nuanced than some people appreciate," Cornyn said in an interview. "We're trying."

As tough as that negotiation will be, a deal on universal background checks is even less likely.

Murphy, a top gun-control advocate whose home state saw the massacre of 20 school children at Sandy Hook Elementary in 2012, launched the filibuster, and was immediately backed up by colleagues Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.). More Senate Democrats are expected to join the talk-a-thon throughout the day and night on Wednesday — the same day presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump is scheduled to meet with the National Rifle Association.

The NRA formally backed an approach favored by Senate Republicans that would allow a judge to arbitrate people who mistakenly end up on the terrorism watch list and want to buy guns, while Democrats prefer giving the Justice Department such authority. Both bills were voted down by the Senate last December.

"If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed," said Chris Cox, the executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action.

The blessing of the NRA may cause some Republicans to dig in behind Cornyn's proposal, and make it harder for any compromise with Democrats to pass muster.

But Cornyn's original proposal from last year also included language to defund "sanctuary cities" — a provision he has said he will remove. Including it last year made it impossible for most Democrats to support his proposal which garnered 55 votes, five short of the 60-vote threshold.

"My hope is we will grow our vote," Cornyn said. "We all agree that known or suspected terrorists should not buy guns. The only question is whether it's going to be done in a constitutional way."

Senate Democrats are refusing to give up the floor, which prevents any amendment votes on the spending bill currently being considered by the chamber that provides funding for the Justice Department and other related agencies. The tactics by Democrats are likely to prevent some senators from attending an all-senators briefing on the Orlando attacks at 4 p.m. on Wednesday.

"Senator Murphy and Senate Democrats are holding the floor because they will not accept inaction or half measures in the face of continued slaughter," Murphy spokesman Chris Harris said. "Congress cannot sit on the sidelines while killers freely buy weapons to brutally murder the people Congress is supposed to be protecting."

The spectacle on the Senate floor immediately invited bipartisan attention. Connecticut Democratic Reps. Jim Himes and Joe Courtney walked over from the House side to watch Murphy lead the charge, and Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) quickly came to the floor to question Murphy.

"Explain to me what the 'terrorist watchlist' is. I'm familiar with the terrorist screening database. There are a series of lists that fall from the database. But I don't think there's any such thing as 'the terrorist watchlist,'" Sasse said.

Murphy responded that he hopes "the legislation we come to agreement on, specifically refer to the lists, a consolidated database that's maintained by federal law enforcement. And have a very explicit right to get off that list. I don't think that's impossible."

Democrats are attempting to pressure Republicans on tougher gun-control laws after the Orlando mass shooting in which 49 people were killed and at least 50 were injured at a gay nightclub early Sunday morning. Because Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has not filed cloture on the bill, Senate Democrats can talk indefinitely.

“I’ve cleared my entire day,” Booker said. “I’ve cleared my evening events … so that I can stay on this floor and support Sen. Murphy.”

The Democrats’ floor fight came as some potential signs of compromise arose on gun measures in the Senate. A spokeswoman for Everytown for Gun Safety, the pro-gun control group led by former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, confirmed Wednesday morning that they were working with Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) on measures to ensure suspected terrorists could not purchase weapons.

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I don't know honestly, I only watched the video for a bit

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Probably will be a race by both sides to screw this one up. Will the Repulicans try to block even a minimal control measure like tightening restrictions on suspected terrorists, or will the Democrats blow it and go for more?

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What would make someone a "suspected terrorist?

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Sadly, this will become more true....

 

 

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JP Z.......if it saves just one American life.......At least that's what the Dems say.  

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 Don't think there has been a non American born led attack since 911.

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Senate Democrats are refusing to give up the floor, which prevents any amendment votes on the spending bill currently being considered by the chamber that provides funding for the Justice Department and other related agencies

 

Democrats are finally (unwittingly) doing something productive...

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7 hours ago, pushbutton said:

 Don't think there has been a non American born led attack since 911.

Second generation seems to be the problem for some reason.  

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2 hours ago, delcecchi said:

Second generation seems to be the problem for some reason.  

Usually it's the first generation who starts something.   The second generation turns that something into a money maker and the third pisses it away.  I guess they are ahead of the curve. 

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On 6/17/2016 at 1:25 PM, delcecchi said:

Stopping immigration from terrorist countries would have saved many American lives. 

What do you consider a "terrorist country"?

Is Mexico a "terrorist country"?

How many lives have been saved due to immigration into the US from regions with vicious leadership?

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You are being particularly opaque.  The primary terrorist countries are in the Middle East or have majority Muslim populations.   Did we allow unrestricted immigration from Germany and Japan during WW2?

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2 hours ago, delcecchi said:

You are being particularly opaque.  The primary terrorist countries are in the Middle East or have majority Muslim populations.   Did we allow unrestricted immigration from Germany and Japan during WW2?

I am pretty sure Obama has already apologized for that

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3 hours ago, delcecchi said:

You are being particularly opaque.  The primary terrorist countries are in the Middle East or have majority Muslim populations.   Did we allow unrestricted immigration from Germany and Japan during WW2?

 

So why doesn't the GOP shut off the funding to Volags for refugee resettlement programs?

 

 

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On 6/25/2016 at 7:14 PM, delcecchi said:

You are being particularly opaque.  The primary terrorist countries are in the Middle East or have majority Muslim populations.  

All Muslims are terrorists, And everyone who lives in one of those majority Muslim countries are also terrorists. OK, got it. 

On 6/25/2016 at 7:14 PM, delcecchi said:

Did we allow unrestricted immigration from Germany and Japan during WW2?

I don't know, I wasn't around back then. Why don't you tell me? 

Either way, I'm pretty sure it may be different when you are dealing with countries you have declared war against. Which countries has congress declared war against now?

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On 6/17/2016 at 11:58 PM, pushbutton said:

 Don't think there has been a non American born led attack since 911.

Well sep the two BB boys. ;)

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Tamerlan Tsarnaev was born in 1986 in the Kalmyk Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, North Caucasus.[175] Dzhokhar was born in 1993 in Kyrgyzstan, although some reports say his family claims he was born in Dagestan.[176] The family spent time in Tokmok, Kyrgyzstan, and in Makhachkala, Dagestan.[85][177] They are half Chechen through their father, Anzor, and half Avar[178] through their mother, Zubeidat. Although they never lived in Chechnya, the brothers self-identified as Chechen.

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Leech that wasn't an attack it was past time extra curricular activities.  

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40 minutes ago, Down2Earth said:

Leech that wasn't an attack it was past time extra curricular activities.  

Well or a cooking class gone wrong! ;)

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On June 27, 2016 at 10:12 PM, leech~~ said:

Well sep the two BB boys. ;)

 

 
 

 

I stand corrected. The point still remains though that those who are so quick to ban 99.9 percent for possibly being a turd, are often even quicker  to protect gun rights to the .01 percent that truly are turds.

 

#perspective

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But, but, but, but, give it a rest.  Your side says if it saves one American life certain guns of not all should be banned.   So should it be if banning all Muslims or ones from certain countries saves one American life they should be banned. 

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Didn't want pushbutton to look like a genius
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