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Ugly Sticks

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Anyone have any recomendations on these? The E-glass composite idea sounds interesting; as I really like my E-glass cat rod.. and it seems to be more sensitive than the straight e-glass as well. The only thing I find kinda funny is that it's a $30 rod and the grips are EVA. Oddly enough I only have one rod with a cork grip anyways.. and it does not seem to make a lot of difference to me.. I do like the twist-lock design though.. as it's less fidgiting with re-tightening the reel seat all the time...

Also I'm debating between the 6'0 and the 6'6". There's actually quite a bit of difference between the two for thickness and weight. I allready tried the 7' "medium" action, which is as thick as my cat rod. And the 5'10" is more like an ultra-light.

The seven year waranty is apealing.. most premium rods twice that price don't offer that...

But in general has anyone had any good... or bad.. expreinces with the Ugly Stick?

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I have used Ugly Stiks for years. I like the ultalite ones for panfishing. They seem to be virtually indestructable and the threaded reel seat is great. The heavier ones aren't as sensitive as the IM-6 or IM-7 graphite rods are. I'm awfully fond of the Berkley Lightning rods. For the price, they are hard to beat. ..T.....BTW....Have you seen the Ugly Stik Ice rods? Not ready for prime time if you ask me.

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Maybe they're better than they were 20 years ago, but the first (and only) rod I ever broke was an ugly stick. I was horsing out a snag, probably too hard, but the rod hadn't come close to doubling over and snap. I'm no fan of that manufacturer's reels, either. All the kids' poles I've gotten failed immediately were that brand. If a company sells unreliable stuff to me, well, that's one thing - but to make cheap stuff for kids is not okay with me. I wouldn't buy that brand again - ever.

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It really depends what you are going to be using the rod for. In my experience the Ugly Sticks have really slow speeds on them, I have one for fishing northern pike, but i dont think i would use one for fishing walleye or crappie. Maybe they make different speeds with their rods, but all the ones i have ever seen have had really slow speeds....If you want an inexpensive walleye or crappie rod go with a rapala rod, if you want the slower action for northern or catfish go with the ugly stick.

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I had a couple of Ugly Sticks that I really liked. I decided to get another one last spring, so I went to the sporting store and got one. I put the rod in the bed of my pickup, and drove home.
When I got home, and went to put a reel on the rod, I noticed that an eye on the rod was missing it's ceramic insert. My wife was going by the same store the next day, so I asked her to exchange the rod, for one that was the same model. She came home with the rod, and it looked ok, so I set it up, and went fishing with it the next weekend.
After catching a couple of walleyes with the rod, I noticed that 2 of the eyes were missing the inserts (They were strung on the line, but out of the eyes).
I finished the day fishing with another rod, but when I got home, I took a close look at the eyes. I noticed that the eyes were made of a very soft steel. The very slightest top or side pressure on the steel ring part of the eye would cause the ceramic to pop right out.
I ended up getting a Berkley Lightning rod for about the same price, and have caught over 30 big Lake Trout with it with no problems.

I liked the action on the Ugly Stick, but they must have cheapened the line guides on them between the first time I bought one, and last spring.

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Ugly Stix definetly have a niche, although they aren't a high performance rod they can take an amazing amount of abuse. I have several that I bought in 96 while guiding up in Ak for silvers-I have seen the 2 piece rods rated for 10-15 lbs haul in 30 lb kings in current-that was enough to win my vote of confidence! I agree with Bobb-O about the slow action so they aren't great for sensitivity but work just fine for pike, bass and salmon (hardhitters). Nowadays I keep a couple rigged up with light-up slip bobbers for fishing with kids or night fishing w/ clumsy friends because I don't have to worry about them breaking. they are good travel rods because you can throw them in the boat/truck or backpack and not have to worry about them. I have noticed that the older ones had double foot steel guides and the newer ones are single foot aluminum and are more apt to get bent or broke, I like my older ones better. For me they are a valuable weapon to have in the arsenal.Get 'em bent!
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Hi Redhooks
What part of Alaska did you guide in,for the silver?
We were there fishing reds,on the Kenai river.Had a blast!
Hoped the silver would come in before we left but did'nt happen.mabey next time.
good fishing smile.gif

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right. This would be for a bass rod, where I really don't need to feel the strikes. In that case I might as well get the 6' 6"

The problem with the guides sounds discouarging, as I've only had a simmilar problem recently with a Shimmano rod of mine.. but the thing is atleast 7 years old...

As far as there other stuff. Shakespeare does I admit make a lot of cheaper stuff. Some of there higher end stuff however is good, I have a nice little Ultralight reel that I bought last year which I adore.. and it's so small... I saw a seven bearing, instant anti-reverse reel of Shakes'peares with an IM6 rod for $30 on clearance which I was half tempted to buy. This is the second suggestion I've recieve on the berkley rod; I have a Berkley E-glass rod for one of my cat rigs and I really like it. I'll take a look at the lightnings as well next time I make it to gander Mountain or fleet farm. Thanks all

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Crawlerman and Others, They also make
an Ugly Stik Lite. This version has a
cork handle, and is more sensitive
than the original model. Price is only
ten bucks more (39.95). I have a one piece
in 6 foot 6inch and have found it to
be suitable for use requiring more "touch".
So far, I have not seen the eyelet problems
in either units I own(1 orig. & 1 Lite)???

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Hey Try Too Fish- I was up on the confluence of Lake creek and the Yetna River-it's about 60 Miles nw of anchorage. Great fishing for trout and all 5 salmon species. I wish I was still up there but but it's hard to make a living playing everyday. I have a bunch of friends up on the Kenai and try to get up there once a summer. Was up there in sept this year and caught the tail end of the silvers and some trout/dollies. Next year I'll be up there for kings though-can't wait smile.gifThats some cool looking water!
redhooks

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Crawlerman

My 6'6" 18 yr old ugly stik has had abuse (packs dropped on in in BWCA, my 5 yr old pretended it was a sword, etc) without any problems. Its always in the boat during the local bass tournies with a Rapala and has caught more than one winning fish. It went to Alaska for pinks and silvers and was great. I never worry about breaking it like my $100+ rods. It has outlasted several reels. I wouldn't use it for rigging walleyes, but it has it uses.

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Crawlerman, I am a new sponsor on this site that makes custom rods. You mentioned something about the warranties on the more expensive rods. Take a few minutes and check out my site. I think you will find all the warranties I give, very generous.
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Thanks for the notion, but I'm looking at something under $50 here. I'm sure a custom rod would really be nice; but as serious as a fisherman I am, I don't do any tournaments or such and have so far done ok with the $10-20 graphite composite rods that go on sale each spring; but I am looking at a slight upgrade atleast for the Cardinal...

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I'm also a fan of the Lightning Rods. Hard to beat at that price.

I also have an E-glass Berkley cat rod (E-Cat #3), and I think a glass/graphite blend would be a good experiment to try. By blending them, can you get the sensitivity of graphite with the brute strength/endurance of glass?

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I've got 2 old 6'6" U-Sticks with the old style guides. The soft tip is perfect for Catfishing. Have caught hundreds of Cats and probably twice as many snags ( LOL )on those 2 rods.
I have beat the snot out of those rods for 17 years now without a problem.
Also got 2 new style Ultra Lights that work good from drift fishing Gills in the summer.

I don't think they would make too good a jigging stick for Eyes though due to the soft tip.

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Hey Stcatfish- I have a graphite/glass blend like you are talking about, a friend in OR tied it for me for steelhead. The blank was a joint project from Lamiglass and Loomis and the bottom portion is 80%glass/20%graphite and the top is 80%graphite/20%glass- I really like for drift fishing!
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    • Minnesota DNR News
      For Immediate Release:
      July 21, 2017
      In This Issue

      Conserving Mille Lacs walleye population requires regulation changes

      Mille Lacs Lake Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for summer 2017

      Conserving Mille Lacs walleye population requires regulation changes

      Walleye fishing on Mille Lacs Lake will remain closed until Aug. 11 to protect the walleye fishery, and ensure its long-term health and sustainability into the future

      To extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest on Mille Lacs 

      New solutions are being sought to rebuild and sustain a healthy Mille Lacs walleye fishery

      New fisheries data collected by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources show the total safe harvest allocation for walleyes on Mille Lacs Lake (44,800 pounds) has already been exceeded this season. To protect the fishery and ensure the long-term sustainability of Mille Lacs Lake’s walleye population, the DNR announced today that walleye fishing will remain closed until Friday, Aug. 11.

      In order to extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest. Catch-and-release walleye fishing will run from Friday, Aug. 11, through Monday, Sept. 4, for the Labor Day weekend. Walleye fishing will then be closed from Tuesday, Sept. 5, through Thursday, Nov. 30.

      As these regulation changes were announced, Minnesota DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr reiterated the state’s commitment to rebuilding and sustaining a healthy walleye fishery in Mille Lacs Lake.

      “Improving the walleye population in Mille Lacs is a top priority for the DNR,” Landwehr said. “We deeply regret the hardships these new regulations will cause for anglers and business owners. But they are essential to protect and enhance the future of walleye fishing in the lake for future generations. We will continue doing everything we can to understand the challenges facing the walleye fishery, and take whatever actions we can to resolve this very difficult situation.”

      Landwehr and DNR fisheries chief Don Pereira noted that allowing for additional catch-and-release fishing in August is essential for area anglers, businesses, and Mille Lacs area communities. The decision to allow for this additional harvest was made with input from the Mille Lacs Fisheries Advisory Committee.

      “We want to allow as much walleye fishing on Mille Lacs as possible,” Pereira said. “So even though state anglers already have caught their quota of fish, the DNR will dip into the allowed conservation overage to reopen the season on Aug. 11.”

      Through the closure, anglers on Mille Lacs Lake may fish for all other species in the lake including bass, muskellunge and northern pike. When fishing for other species, only artificial baits and lures will be allowed in possession, except for anglers targeting northern pike or muskie, who may fish with sucker minnows longer than 8 inches.

      A prohibition on night fishing will remain in place from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. through Nov. 30. However, anglers may fish for muskie and northern pike at night, but may only use artificial lures longer than 8 inches or sucker minnows longer than 8 inches. Bowfishing for rough fish also is allowed at night but possession of angling equipment is not allowed and only rough fish may be in possession.

      Understanding walleye fishing quotas on Mille Lacs this year, and why that quota was reached earlier than predicted
      The DNR and the Chippewa bands that cooperatively manage Mille Lacs Lake agreed this year to harvest quotas of 44,800 pounds for state anglers and 19,200 pounds for tribal fishing. They also agreed that up to 75,000 pounds of walleye could be harvested from the lake from Dec. 1, 2016 to Nov. 30, 2017.

      That agreement allows the state to use a built-in buffer – the 11,000 pounds difference between the 75,000 pounds conservation cap and the 64,000 pounds combined harvest quotas – in an attempt to allow catch-and-release walleye fishing through Labor Day, following the mid-summer closure. Bi-weekly creel surveys show that state anglers already have reached their quota.

      “The DNR is using its full allotment to maximize opportunities to fish for walleye on Mille Lacs without violating our agreement,” Pereira said. “The DNR, just like area businesses, would greatly prefer to not have fishing restrictions in place. But sustaining and stabilizing Mille Lacs’ walleye population is our primary obligation and public responsibility.”

      Continuing the walleye fishing closure will reduce the number of fish that die after being caught and released, a condition known as hooking mortality. The likelihood of fish suffering hooking mortality increases as water temperatures warm.

      High walleye catch rates on Mille Lacs have increased DNR fishing projections. A hot walleye bite attracted more anglers to the lake, resulting in angler effort that is about double what it was in 2016.

      “Cooler than normal temperatures kept hooking mortality rates low, but more anglers fished Mille Lacs, particularly catching walleye longer than 20 inches,” Pereira said. “That increased the poundage of fish caught and put us over our walleye quota.”

      According to the DNR, bigger fish are biting, in part, because there is a shortage of food for larger walleye. Last fall’s assessment showed that larger walleye were thinner than average.

      Mille Lacs’ hot bite also reflects the findings of studies done in many other fisheries that show catchability actually increases when fish population drops. In Mille Lacs, walleye congregate in preferred spots rather than disperse evenly throughout the lake. Fewer fish in the lake means there is more room in the preferred spots for fish to gather, creating a situation where a larger percentage of the population is in position to be caught rather than gathering in a less preferred but less fished area.

      More information about Mille Lacs Lake, the regulation adjustments and management of the fishery is available on the DNR page at www.mndnr.gov/millelacslake.

      New solutions are being sought to improve and sustain a healthy walleye fishery
      The DNR announced in June that a new external review team of scientists will take a fresh look at Mille Lacs Lake’s walleye fishery, using all of the best science available to gain a better understanding of the lake. This new review, led by walleye expert Dr. Chris Vandergoot of the U.S. Geological Survey, will provide additional recommendations to improve fisheries management of the lake, and contribute to a long-term solution to improving and sustaining a healthy walleye fishery for future generations. The group’s report is expected in time to help guide and inform fisheries management decisions for the 2018 season.

      DNR encourages Minnesotans to fish for other abundant species on Mille Lacs Lake
      As today’s walleye fishing regulation changes were announced, the DNR encouraged all Minnesotans to visit Mille Lacs Lake to fish the other abundant species that the lake has to offer. Mille Lacs Lake’s other opportunities for top-notch fishing will not be affected by the regulation adjustment.

      Bassmaster Magazine named Mille Lacs the nation’s best bass lake in June and will send 50 of the country’s best anglers to the lake In September for its Angler of the Year tournament. Northern pike abound in Mille Lacs, along with muskellunge. In early July, a woman from southern Minnesota caught and released in Mille Lacs what may have been Minnesota’s largest-ever muskellunge.

      To learn more about Mille Lacs Lake and its many great fishing opportunities, visit the DNR page. To plan visit to the Mille Lacs area, visit the Mille Lacs Area Tourism Council page.

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      Mille Lacs Lake Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for summer 2017
      Q: What is happening with the walleye season this summer on Mille Lacs Lake?

      A: The closure that began July 8 and was set to end July 28 is being extended by two weeks. That means walleye fishing will reopen at 6:01 a.m. on Aug. 11 for catch-and-release only through Labor Day. A night fishing closure also will remain in place from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. through Nov. 30.

      Q: How does this affect fishing for other species?

      A: Fishing regulations for other species such as smallmouth bass, muskie and northern pike remain the same. During the night closure, there is an exception for muskie and northern pike anglers using artificial lures and sucker minnows longer than 8 inches.

      Q: Why did the DNR extend the closure?

      A: While the DNR wants to allow as much walleye fishing on Mille Lacs as possible, the state is also required to abide by cooperative agreements made with eight American Indian Chippewa bands. The two weeks of additional closure allows the state to abide by a harvest quota set earlier this year with the bands.

      The DNR and the bands agreed to harvest quotas of 44,800 pounds for state anglers and 19,200 pounds for tribal fishing. They also agreed that up to 75,000 pounds of walleye could be sustainably harvested from the lake from Dec. 1, 2016 to Nov. 30, 2017 in order to conserve the population

      That agreement allows the state to use a built-in buffer – the 11,000 pounds difference between the conservation cap of 75,000 pounds and the combined harvest quota of 64,000 pounds – in an attempt to allow catch-and-release walleye fishing through Labor Day, following the mid-summer closure.

      The latest creel survey data shows that state anglers reached their quota of 44,800 pounds of walleye caught from Mille Lacs in early July. Even though state anglers already have caught their quota of fish, the DNR is dipping into the allowed conservation reserve in order to reopen the season on Aug. 11.

      Q: Why has the walleye population in Mille Lacs declined? What is the DNR doing in the long-term to try to conserve the population?

      A: The vast majority of walleye that hatch do not survive to their third autumn in the lake. Walleye numbers have declined to the point that it has become important to protect spawning-sized walleye, particularly the class of walleye that hatched in 2013. It is important to protect the large 2013 year class to replenish aging spawning stock.  Most males from the 2013 class are now mature, but females will not start to contribute in large numbers until next spring. The state is committed to conserving the population of walleyes born in 2013 to improve and rebuild a sustainable population for the future.

      Q: Why do we count hooking mortality during a closed walleye season?

      A: The amount that state anglers can kill (as spelled out in state-bands agreements) also must include fish that die as a result of hooking mortality, the fish that die after being caught and then released back into the water. During the closure, some anglers still catch walleye incidentally and some of those fish die after being released. Under the state-band agreements, those dead fish must be calculated and counted against the state’s allocation.

      Q: How did this cooperative management between the state and the bands of Mille Lacs Lake come to be?   

      A: Recall that in 1999, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld lower-court decisions that allowed the Mille Lacs band and seven other Chippewa bands to exercise off-reservation fishing and hunting rights. The lower federal court also set up guidelines, known as stipulations and protocols, for both sides to follow. These stipulations and protocols provide a framework for how the bands and the state must work cooperatively to manage shared natural resources, including Mille Lacs fish.  In their agreements, the DNR and the bands are required to annually establish the number of walleye that can safely be harvested from Mille Lacs while ensuring sufficient remaining walleye in the lake for a healthy fishery.

      Q: If the walleye population is in decline, why are anglers catching so many?

      A: Fish are biting for two reasons. First, there is a shortage of food for larger walleye. Last fall’s assessment showed that larger walleye were thinner than average. Second, studies in many fisheries show that catchability actually increases when fish population decline.

      In Mille Lacs, walleye congregate in preferred spots rather than disperse evenly throughout the lake. Fewer fish in the lake means there’s more room in the preferred spots for fish to gather, and anglers find these spots where they can catch a larger portion of fish. Finally, while the walleye population has decreased considerably (by half or more), the amount of fishing pressure has declined by a lot more. This means that there are more walleye per angler fishing Mille Lacs today.

      Q: How is the DNR using science and research to help the walleye population?

      A: Mille Lacs Lake is the most studied lake in Minnesota. It is also a complex and changing system. The agency conducts a large number of surveys on the lake annually. These surveys include assessing the abundance of young walleye; setting 52 nets to assess adult abundance; using fine-mesh nets each summer to determine abundance of food (prey fish) for walleye; and using interviews with anglers around the lake (called creel surveys) to estimate the number of fish anglers are catching. The DNR also periodically tags walleye and other species to provide actual population estimates. We are tagging bass this year in cooperation with angling groups, and will be tagging walleye in 2018 and 2019 when the 2013 year class will be reaching full maturity.

      Q: What is the purpose of the external review the DNR has initiated?

      A: The DNR has asked Dr. Chris Vandergoot to lead an independent review of the DNR’s scientific approaches to manage Mille Lacs Lake. Vandergoot is a key member of the international team that co-manages a very significant walleye fishery in Lake Erie. He works for the U.S. Geological Survey in the Sandusky Lake Erie Biological station in Ohio. His review report will be available to the public in early 2018 and will help inform fisheries management decisions for the 2018 season.

      Q: What does the future look like for Mille Lacs walleye?

      A: It is unlikely that Mille Lacs walleye production will return to the levels that state anglers enjoyed over 20 years ago.  The ecosystem of Mille Lacs is going through extreme change, starting with increased water clarity in the mid-1990s, to impacts today from aquatic invasive species such as spiny water flea and zebra mussels. Longer growing seasons are also helping some species such as smallmouth bass but may be hurting others. While walleye will still be abundant, the future fishery will be more diverse, offering angling opportunities for a greater variety of fish.

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