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AIS training and sticker law how serious are we about the repeal effort

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Just wondering because I hardly see talk about this on this forum.

2 bills in the house and senate to repeal. 1 bill in the house has moved foward but the 2 in the senate are being sat on in the Environment and Energy committee by Sen. John Marty chair.

As of yesterday an revisory bill was passed in Environment and Energy committee.

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Another reason I ask is I see many snarky comments about this law but no one putting the effort in helping repeal this law.

Dont want to put the time in to change this law than those with the snarky whips that do nothing to help get what coming to them and have no reason to pea moan.

Yes i'm angry as there is a chance to strike this law down. That is if people are involved and not dependant on the neighbor to pick up the slack that is left behind by those who rather complain than do something about it.

This law will not be repealed with out preasure on the committe chair that's sitting on the bills to repeal.

I challange silly town to get off the sidelines and for ounce be productive with their energy rather than using up bandwidth to further the obsession to argue.

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I challange silly town to get off the sidelines and for ounce be productive with their energy rather than using up bandwidth to further the obsession to argue.

Awful strong talk for a newbie. smile

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough of a deal to get your undies in a bunch over. If I have to spend 15 minutes taking an online test and spend probably the price of a dozen minnows for the sticker, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

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Stong talk is the by product of my conviction to overturn this.

That cost of minnows is possibly going up.

Besides this $5or $11 fee we alreasy have a $5 in the books for AIS. As you can figure out is $10 or $16 if you don't have internet access, which many in rural areas don't.

Now with upcoming proposal by the DNR and Govenor Dayton to increase the AIS fee by another $10 the math takes us to $20 to $26.

that's 4 or 5 buckets of minnows or 3 or 4 raps.

Where will it stop 10 rapula or 10 buckets of minows?

You maybe ok with spending the money on these fees and waistig your time for programs such as these, I'm not ok with it.

That $5 fee for the sticker and training program is every 3 years and goes directly to a private company that runs the program and prints the sticker. That's $400,000 to $500,000 annually that will be paid to a private company.

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I challange silly town to get off the sidelines and for ounce be productive with their energy rather than using up bandwidth to further the obsession to argue.

Sillytown would point out that it's "challenge," not "challange" (yes, I'm kidding - err, no not kidding, sillytown would totally point that out. I guess I mean to say I'm making fun of sillytown... not you).

Anyway... some of us that post down there (for serious or for joking) do actually get out and participate in the process... though yeah most of it is just hot air, whining, and other nonsense.

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Actually sillytown wouldn't have pointed out a simple spelling mistake, (except maybe for someone going on about how smart they are). Look at the threads with errors in the title and no one has mentioned it.

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I hope I can spuell all my words correctly. Walker ---- This bill will probably get wrapped up in the overall late session activity. My bet is that it will ultimately depend on DNR support one way or the other.

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Stong talk is the by product of my conviction to overturn this.

That cost of minnows is possibly going up. The cost of everything constantly goes up. That's called inflation. How does that relate to the AIS sticker?

Besides this $5or $11 fee we alreasy have a $5 in the books for AIS. Where did the "$11 fee" and "$5 in the books" come from? As you can figure out is $10 or $16 if you don't have internet access, which many in rural areas don't.

Now with upcoming proposal by the DNR and Govenor Dayton to increase the AIS fee by another $10 the math takes us to $20 to $26. Where did you get this? What is an "upcoming proposal"? Is it a proposal or not?

that's 4 or 5 buckets of minnows or 3 or 4 raps.

Where will it stop 10 rapula or 10 buckets of minows?

You maybe ok with spending the money on these fees and waistig your time for programs such as these, I'm not ok with it.

That $5 fee for the sticker and training program is every 3 years and goes directly to a private company that runs the program and prints the sticker. That's $400,000 to $500,000 annually that will be paid to a private company. You'd rather have the state hire the people and buy the equipment to do this? Sounds like you're a Socialist.

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I guess I deserved that from everyone. Sorry to offend anyone that read what I have written.

Not thinking much of the AIS education efforts of the DNR is pretty much in line with what I have seen of the opinions here on HSO.

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Once upon a time these fishing forums were THE place to get your information and gather steam to make a change. That isn't so anymore. Other forms of social media have taken over. But if you'd like I can post all the replies I've gotten from various legislators I've had discussions with.

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Thanks DTro, I think the way I started the thread tainted the message I was trying to convey may over shadow a good discusion.

I know there are many people like you giving input through the propper channels and its much appreciated by all. I wish I could add written responses to yours, the thing is I've done all my contacting by phone and by 1of the 2 committee meetings held on this law.

My guess would be our feedback are simular being a majority of support for repealing this burdensome ineffective law. From the committee meeting last week in the house on hf184 it sure sounded like represenatives are being contacted by their constituents in favor of repeal.

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Ya, someone needs to relax a bit before they start hollering at me about it. The best info, IMO, I've read, watched, and discussed on it, and I've read /watched a LOT, was in Big River magazine. I even met with Reggie McCloud, the editor, at an invited meeting forum here in CAWchester. My questions is: what about all the barge/construction/commercial river traffic that travels from Minnesota all the way to New Orleans, and back up? I honeslty feel, at best, we may curtail it a bit, but the way Minnesota has gone over board (pardon the pun) in solving the problem is ridiculous, IMO. I don't think we are going to be able to stop the spread of this species. Let's use common sense and quit whacking the responsible folk and look more towards the big industries,aka, money makers, that are doing more damage than all the little guys put together. But in the meantime, let's stay aware and do the best we can to at least try to eradicate it. Her'es an E-mail I received form the DNR office yesterday, just for some input...

DNR NEWS – FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Feb. 17, 2015

Truck driver cited, fined for transporting zebra mussels near Winona

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources has issued a civil citation and a $500 fine to a construction company truck driver for transporting zebra mussels.

In mid-December, Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT) and contract inspectors found dead zebra mussels on a delivery of temporary sheeting materials to the Winona bridge project and reported the finding to the DNR.

“We take our role seriously, whether it’s constructing the new bridge or protecting the environment, so that’s why we investigated the presence of zebra mussels on the sheeting and researched how the materials were delivered,” said Terry Ward, MnDOT project manager for the Winona bridge.

The sheeting materials were being transported by road to Winona from the Dresbach Interchange bridge project, which is 29 miles south of Winona.

A violation occurred when materials were removed from the Mississippi River and transported over land with attached zebra mussels. It is illegal to transport aquatic invasive species and illegal to attempt to place aquatic invasive species into the water.

Had the materials been moved via the Mississippi River between the two projects, no violation would have occurred.

None of the sheeting was placed in the river at the Winona bridge project, and the zebra mussels were removed as directed by the DNR before related work continued.

The importance of removing all aquatic invasive species, including zebra mussels, is being reinforced with the project contractors. Typically, all contractors that have contracts with MnDOT have been through training and are aware of aquatic invasive species regulations and protocols.

More information about zebra mussels, how to inspect boats and other water-related equipment, and a current list of designated infested waters is available on the DNR HSOforum at www.mndnr.gov/ais.

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To bad legislators have their heads in dark places,They seem to go for the feel good solutions and ignore the common ideas from common people.Even though we're not fisheries scientists we should be heard!

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To bad legislators have their heads in dark places,They seem to go for the feel good solutions and ignore the common ideas from common people.Even though we're not fisheries scientists we should be heard!

Uh, weren't the stickers in various incarnations the idea of the DNR not the legislature?

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Best way to really find out is contact your State Rep. That way you can also give your opinion. I live in Mi and spend a fair amount of time in MN. We have had invasive species for years and find the MN law off base as an effective way to address the issue. Current law very intrusive and lots of example how you or family member might get a ticket. Also the idea of all people driving through Mn with a boat trailer needing a sticker and training is, as said intrusive. I will do the training if required. Best to all and stay warm.

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There's big difference between education of the public and sensible enforcement of the laws as written. Nailing the guy with a fine and ticket after he misses a 1/4" piece of Milfoil stuck under a roller is concentrating on the wrong methods of enforcement, and does nothing to help further the cause, IMO.

Let's take some more time and study things a lot more with input from those who really USE the waterways as they are intended. Maybe then we can come up with a viable alternative to the off-base enforcement they are attempting at this time.

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Research I've seen has shown over 90% of boaters are aware of AIS laws. This program is pointless. I also want point out that in the statute it also says that violation is punishable by warning only - no tickets. MN COLA pushed hard to get this passed.

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Research I've seen has shown over 90% of boaters are aware of AIS laws. This program is pointless. I also want point out that in the statute it also says that violation is punishable by warning only - no tickets. MN COLA pushed hard to get this passed.

I hate to be the one to tell you that you can and will get a whopper of a fine...various amounts for different offenses. Read all under Transportation Prohibitions:

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/invasives/laws.html

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I just wish we had some pragmatic thinkers in office rather the the reactive ones that we have now. By the time they decide to do something about the problems it's to late and their only solution seems to be is to hand out fines and stickers.

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Read statute 86B.13. This program is different than the other AIS laws. Copied directly from the trailer decal statute:

(e) Violation of this section shall not result in a penalty, but is punishable only by a warning

The AIS laws referenced in the DNR link are not pertaining to the training and decal laws.

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