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Heading to Colorado, What camo pattern???

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Well boys, it's that time of year again. I have a week and a half till I make the pilgramage. I was going to pick up a nother set of camo for the trip. I have used Natgear evergreen for the last couple years, but they discontinued it. What camo pattern do you guys prefer out there. I have found that the normal patterns can be to dark for the aspen and pines out there.

Thanks, Chris

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My two favorite patterns out there are Cabela's Open Country (I think that's what it's called) and Maxx-1 HD. In the area we were in, the combo that worked really well was Open Country pants and Maxx-1 HD top.

Other patterns I generally like out West are: Mossy Oak Brush (doesn't seem like it'd be the right fit, but sure blends in well), predator (brown or green), Sitka's Mountain Mimicry, and Realtree AP.

Good luck! Whatcha chasing?

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My dad and I are going after elk via archery. It is the third time going in 6 years. I was successful on the previous two with a smaller 5X4 and a cow, so I have high hopes.

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Cool- good luck!!! Are you in a draw unit in CO or an OTC unit? Have fun!

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If you want to blend in in CO you need to look like an ATV or Dirtbike!

Seriously, most any camo will do but a sage base layer can be helpful. Try to avoid that black blob look though. Large print patterns help that.

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Draw unit. I think it is 65 or 66 not to far away from Gunnison CO

Cool! This year will be my first year buying a PP in CO. Be sure to report back on how the hunt went. Are you doing a DIY hunt, a spike camp hunt, bivy hunt, going through an outfitter? Regardless of all the details, good luck!!!

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This year could be tough. In the past, we have done half guided and half unguided. We stay at a ranch, but hunt all public land in the area. We are going totally unguided this year, but still staying at the same place. They provide us with a supper every night, and a dry place to stay. The area is not great, but we seem to see elk every year and you can't complain about that. We can't beat the price though, and as long as I am in the mountains I'm good, seeing elk is a bonus.

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Well scoot, I did manage to score a 5X4 and I do have a picture I would like to share. If you have an email I could send it to you and maybe you could post for me. I have a feeling it would be to big a picture. Get back to me and I will send it to you and post the story after that.

Chris

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Awesome! Congrats!!! I'm soooo jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Send pic to: scootsfishing at yahoo

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Here's the pic Chris sent me. Congrats again, Chris! Please share the story of how you got him. Calling? Wallow sitting? Spot and stalk? Details man, I want details! LOL!!!

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Way to go Chris! Looks like you made a perfect shot on him. I'm with Scoot, more info! More info!

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Well,I would like to start off by saying that this trip was shared with my father. I think it was an especially great trip having him share it with me. There was four of us that spent 5 days hunting unit 67. One of my fathers friends arrowed a 4X4 on the first night. There were other elk with him well above the hunters that they did not see, but his 4X4 was just curious enough to come in for a visit and he managed to put a good shot on it. That was Sunday night. Monday, we spent the morning on an overlook glassing some open medows to no avail. The afternoon hunt had us up trying to stake out some wallows that looked like they had some recent activity. The clouds opened up around 5:00 and we got dumped on. Tuesday morning we went up to the same area the small 4X4 was shot. I went 60 yards up the hill hoping to be in the travel corridor for the morning. Around daybreak, I let out a bugle and was cut off by a bull a few hundred yards away. Now, I have been on 2 other elk hunts in the last ten years or so, and it is not typical to hear much in the way of bugling. I waited for a few minutes and let out another bugle. This time I did not hear anything, and I was thinking he wasn't interested. About the time I set my tube down, he crested the hill in front of me. We were in the dark timber, so there were not much for holes to shoot through. I already had my bow in hand. There was a large group of pines he was trotting by which gave me a chance to draw my bow without him noticing. He steped out from those pines right into a nice shooting lane for me. I gave him a cow call from my mouth call and he put the brakes on. I let the arrow go and knew it was a good shot. He bolted and I got on the cow call right away again and managed to stop him only 30 yards from where I shot him. He stood there for 20 minutes and I can't even tell you how many times I said "go down" to myself. He laid down and I squatted and gave a guy below me a fist pump. I also motioned for him to stay put because I knew he had not yet expired. He laid his head down and I was just waiting to see his belly stop going up and down. Well a couple minutes turned into a couple hours. He would lay his head down and then pick it up and look around for a while. I just didn't get it, I saw the arrow go in and I hit him perfect. At this point, it had been over an hour from when I had shot him, I spent all this time watching him through some brush wondering what I should do. I thought if I could get five yards either way I could get a nother shot in him. Everytime I thought about doing anything he would pick his head up and look around. I figured I had all day to wait him out I needed to just stay put. It was a little after 9:00 and I could hear my dad and one of the other guys walking up to our other hunter. I was so nervous at this point. The bull was looking down the hill at these guys and I thought he would bolt for sure. I was motioning behind my back for them to stay put. Luckly, someone saw me and they stopped walking. At 9:30 the bull was laying on his side with his leggs sprawled out. Next thing I knew, he was trying to and successfully stood up. I couldn't believe it! He took a couple steps down hill and at that point I could make out his front shoulder through some small pine trees. I figured it was my best chance to sneed another shot in before he dissappeared and we would have some work to do to find him. I drew my bow back and settled in where I thought I could sneek through the trees. I let another arrow go and whack. He dropped his back end and hit the ground hard. By the way he reacted, I spined him, but he was breathing really heavy also, He expired before I could get closer for another shot. As it turned out, my first shot went in perfect, caught a rib, and deflected back catching one lung and going out the guts. I sure would have liked him to have dropped a few minutes after the first shot, but I learned a great lesson through this experience. While it was happening, I was not sure what to do. I decided to just stay put and still and be ready and that was the best thing I could have done. It does not happen very often that I do something hunting related and don't second guess at least some part of the hunt, but this time I got lucky and did it right. Once again, I want to underscore how my experience was inhanced having my father along for the trip. It is something I will never forget.

Chris

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Good job waiting him out Chris.

Just curious what you think happened. Was he quartering towards you somewhat? What kind of broadheads were you using? Do you think they may have played a part in the deflection? Just curious.

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I think it was a combination of things. He may have taken a slight step twords me when I stopped him, but not for the angle of arrow. One of my blades were all jacked up and It was laying on the ground like it fell out after he ran a few yards. I was using 90 grain muzzy heads and maxima hunter 350s for arrows. I have harvested 2 other elk with a simular combo. I partially broke the rib and it looked like I hit it square. I wish I had a video of the shot to know for sure.

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Great story! I can only wish my dad would have come along on either of my elk hunts. He planned on it the second year, but he had some health problems that kept him from coming. It really would have made the trip that much better to have been able to share it with him. Congrats to you for being lucky enough to share that adventure with him.

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    • Minnesota DNR News
      For Immediate Release:
      July 21, 2017
      In This Issue

      Conserving Mille Lacs walleye population requires regulation changes

      Mille Lacs Lake Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for summer 2017

      Conserving Mille Lacs walleye population requires regulation changes

      Walleye fishing on Mille Lacs Lake will remain closed until Aug. 11 to protect the walleye fishery, and ensure its long-term health and sustainability into the future

      To extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest on Mille Lacs 

      New solutions are being sought to rebuild and sustain a healthy Mille Lacs walleye fishery

      New fisheries data collected by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources show the total safe harvest allocation for walleyes on Mille Lacs Lake (44,800 pounds) has already been exceeded this season. To protect the fishery and ensure the long-term sustainability of Mille Lacs Lake’s walleye population, the DNR announced today that walleye fishing will remain closed until Friday, Aug. 11.

      In order to extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest. Catch-and-release walleye fishing will run from Friday, Aug. 11, through Monday, Sept. 4, for the Labor Day weekend. Walleye fishing will then be closed from Tuesday, Sept. 5, through Thursday, Nov. 30.

      As these regulation changes were announced, Minnesota DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr reiterated the state’s commitment to rebuilding and sustaining a healthy walleye fishery in Mille Lacs Lake.

      “Improving the walleye population in Mille Lacs is a top priority for the DNR,” Landwehr said. “We deeply regret the hardships these new regulations will cause for anglers and business owners. But they are essential to protect and enhance the future of walleye fishing in the lake for future generations. We will continue doing everything we can to understand the challenges facing the walleye fishery, and take whatever actions we can to resolve this very difficult situation.”

      Landwehr and DNR fisheries chief Don Pereira noted that allowing for additional catch-and-release fishing in August is essential for area anglers, businesses, and Mille Lacs area communities. The decision to allow for this additional harvest was made with input from the Mille Lacs Fisheries Advisory Committee.

      “We want to allow as much walleye fishing on Mille Lacs as possible,” Pereira said. “So even though state anglers already have caught their quota of fish, the DNR will dip into the allowed conservation overage to reopen the season on Aug. 11.”

      Through the closure, anglers on Mille Lacs Lake may fish for all other species in the lake including bass, muskellunge and northern pike. When fishing for other species, only artificial baits and lures will be allowed in possession, except for anglers targeting northern pike or muskie, who may fish with sucker minnows longer than 8 inches.

      A prohibition on night fishing will remain in place from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. through Nov. 30. However, anglers may fish for muskie and northern pike at night, but may only use artificial lures longer than 8 inches or sucker minnows longer than 8 inches. Bowfishing for rough fish also is allowed at night but possession of angling equipment is not allowed and only rough fish may be in possession.

      Understanding walleye fishing quotas on Mille Lacs this year, and why that quota was reached earlier than predicted
      The DNR and the Chippewa bands that cooperatively manage Mille Lacs Lake agreed this year to harvest quotas of 44,800 pounds for state anglers and 19,200 pounds for tribal fishing. They also agreed that up to 75,000 pounds of walleye could be harvested from the lake from Dec. 1, 2016 to Nov. 30, 2017.

      That agreement allows the state to use a built-in buffer – the 11,000 pounds difference between the 75,000 pounds conservation cap and the 64,000 pounds combined harvest quotas – in an attempt to allow catch-and-release walleye fishing through Labor Day, following the mid-summer closure. Bi-weekly creel surveys show that state anglers already have reached their quota.

      “The DNR is using its full allotment to maximize opportunities to fish for walleye on Mille Lacs without violating our agreement,” Pereira said. “The DNR, just like area businesses, would greatly prefer to not have fishing restrictions in place. But sustaining and stabilizing Mille Lacs’ walleye population is our primary obligation and public responsibility.”

      Continuing the walleye fishing closure will reduce the number of fish that die after being caught and released, a condition known as hooking mortality. The likelihood of fish suffering hooking mortality increases as water temperatures warm.

      High walleye catch rates on Mille Lacs have increased DNR fishing projections. A hot walleye bite attracted more anglers to the lake, resulting in angler effort that is about double what it was in 2016.

      “Cooler than normal temperatures kept hooking mortality rates low, but more anglers fished Mille Lacs, particularly catching walleye longer than 20 inches,” Pereira said. “That increased the poundage of fish caught and put us over our walleye quota.”

      According to the DNR, bigger fish are biting, in part, because there is a shortage of food for larger walleye. Last fall’s assessment showed that larger walleye were thinner than average.

      Mille Lacs’ hot bite also reflects the findings of studies done in many other fisheries that show catchability actually increases when fish population drops. In Mille Lacs, walleye congregate in preferred spots rather than disperse evenly throughout the lake. Fewer fish in the lake means there is more room in the preferred spots for fish to gather, creating a situation where a larger percentage of the population is in position to be caught rather than gathering in a less preferred but less fished area.

      More information about Mille Lacs Lake, the regulation adjustments and management of the fishery is available on the DNR page at www.mndnr.gov/millelacslake.

      New solutions are being sought to improve and sustain a healthy walleye fishery
      The DNR announced in June that a new external review team of scientists will take a fresh look at Mille Lacs Lake’s walleye fishery, using all of the best science available to gain a better understanding of the lake. This new review, led by walleye expert Dr. Chris Vandergoot of the U.S. Geological Survey, will provide additional recommendations to improve fisheries management of the lake, and contribute to a long-term solution to improving and sustaining a healthy walleye fishery for future generations. The group’s report is expected in time to help guide and inform fisheries management decisions for the 2018 season.

      DNR encourages Minnesotans to fish for other abundant species on Mille Lacs Lake
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      Bassmaster Magazine named Mille Lacs the nation’s best bass lake in June and will send 50 of the country’s best anglers to the lake In September for its Angler of the Year tournament. Northern pike abound in Mille Lacs, along with muskellunge. In early July, a woman from southern Minnesota caught and released in Mille Lacs what may have been Minnesota’s largest-ever muskellunge.

      To learn more about Mille Lacs Lake and its many great fishing opportunities, visit the DNR page. To plan visit to the Mille Lacs area, visit the Mille Lacs Area Tourism Council page.

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      Mille Lacs Lake Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) for summer 2017
      Q: What is happening with the walleye season this summer on Mille Lacs Lake?

      A: The closure that began July 8 and was set to end July 28 is being extended by two weeks. That means walleye fishing will reopen at 6:01 a.m. on Aug. 11 for catch-and-release only through Labor Day. A night fishing closure also will remain in place from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. through Nov. 30.

      Q: How does this affect fishing for other species?

      A: Fishing regulations for other species such as smallmouth bass, muskie and northern pike remain the same. During the night closure, there is an exception for muskie and northern pike anglers using artificial lures and sucker minnows longer than 8 inches.

      Q: Why did the DNR extend the closure?

      A: While the DNR wants to allow as much walleye fishing on Mille Lacs as possible, the state is also required to abide by cooperative agreements made with eight American Indian Chippewa bands. The two weeks of additional closure allows the state to abide by a harvest quota set earlier this year with the bands.

      The DNR and the bands agreed to harvest quotas of 44,800 pounds for state anglers and 19,200 pounds for tribal fishing. They also agreed that up to 75,000 pounds of walleye could be sustainably harvested from the lake from Dec. 1, 2016 to Nov. 30, 2017 in order to conserve the population

      That agreement allows the state to use a built-in buffer – the 11,000 pounds difference between the conservation cap of 75,000 pounds and the combined harvest quota of 64,000 pounds – in an attempt to allow catch-and-release walleye fishing through Labor Day, following the mid-summer closure.

      The latest creel survey data shows that state anglers reached their quota of 44,800 pounds of walleye caught from Mille Lacs in early July. Even though state anglers already have caught their quota of fish, the DNR is dipping into the allowed conservation reserve in order to reopen the season on Aug. 11.

      Q: Why has the walleye population in Mille Lacs declined? What is the DNR doing in the long-term to try to conserve the population?

      A: The vast majority of walleye that hatch do not survive to their third autumn in the lake. Walleye numbers have declined to the point that it has become important to protect spawning-sized walleye, particularly the class of walleye that hatched in 2013. It is important to protect the large 2013 year class to replenish aging spawning stock.  Most males from the 2013 class are now mature, but females will not start to contribute in large numbers until next spring. The state is committed to conserving the population of walleyes born in 2013 to improve and rebuild a sustainable population for the future.

      Q: Why do we count hooking mortality during a closed walleye season?

      A: The amount that state anglers can kill (as spelled out in state-bands agreements) also must include fish that die as a result of hooking mortality, the fish that die after being caught and then released back into the water. During the closure, some anglers still catch walleye incidentally and some of those fish die after being released. Under the state-band agreements, those dead fish must be calculated and counted against the state’s allocation.

      Q: How did this cooperative management between the state and the bands of Mille Lacs Lake come to be?   

      A: Recall that in 1999, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld lower-court decisions that allowed the Mille Lacs band and seven other Chippewa bands to exercise off-reservation fishing and hunting rights. The lower federal court also set up guidelines, known as stipulations and protocols, for both sides to follow. These stipulations and protocols provide a framework for how the bands and the state must work cooperatively to manage shared natural resources, including Mille Lacs fish.  In their agreements, the DNR and the bands are required to annually establish the number of walleye that can safely be harvested from Mille Lacs while ensuring sufficient remaining walleye in the lake for a healthy fishery.

      Q: If the walleye population is in decline, why are anglers catching so many?

      A: Fish are biting for two reasons. First, there is a shortage of food for larger walleye. Last fall’s assessment showed that larger walleye were thinner than average. Second, studies in many fisheries show that catchability actually increases when fish population decline.

      In Mille Lacs, walleye congregate in preferred spots rather than disperse evenly throughout the lake. Fewer fish in the lake means there’s more room in the preferred spots for fish to gather, and anglers find these spots where they can catch a larger portion of fish. Finally, while the walleye population has decreased considerably (by half or more), the amount of fishing pressure has declined by a lot more. This means that there are more walleye per angler fishing Mille Lacs today.

      Q: How is the DNR using science and research to help the walleye population?

      A: Mille Lacs Lake is the most studied lake in Minnesota. It is also a complex and changing system. The agency conducts a large number of surveys on the lake annually. These surveys include assessing the abundance of young walleye; setting 52 nets to assess adult abundance; using fine-mesh nets each summer to determine abundance of food (prey fish) for walleye; and using interviews with anglers around the lake (called creel surveys) to estimate the number of fish anglers are catching. The DNR also periodically tags walleye and other species to provide actual population estimates. We are tagging bass this year in cooperation with angling groups, and will be tagging walleye in 2018 and 2019 when the 2013 year class will be reaching full maturity.

      Q: What is the purpose of the external review the DNR has initiated?

      A: The DNR has asked Dr. Chris Vandergoot to lead an independent review of the DNR’s scientific approaches to manage Mille Lacs Lake. Vandergoot is a key member of the international team that co-manages a very significant walleye fishery in Lake Erie. He works for the U.S. Geological Survey in the Sandusky Lake Erie Biological station in Ohio. His review report will be available to the public in early 2018 and will help inform fisheries management decisions for the 2018 season.

      Q: What does the future look like for Mille Lacs walleye?

      A: It is unlikely that Mille Lacs walleye production will return to the levels that state anglers enjoyed over 20 years ago.  The ecosystem of Mille Lacs is going through extreme change, starting with increased water clarity in the mid-1990s, to impacts today from aquatic invasive species such as spiny water flea and zebra mussels. Longer growing seasons are also helping some species such as smallmouth bass but may be hurting others. While walleye will still be abundant, the future fishery will be more diverse, offering angling opportunities for a greater variety of fish.

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