Guests - If You want access to member only forums on HSO. You will gain access only when you sign-in or Sign-Up on HotSpotOutdoors.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
titelines

Tailgating at Target field

11 posts in this topic

Hi all,

Sorry if this has been covered already...looked but maybe I missed it. Also haven't heard much from columnists or talk radio.

I've seen a few games at other stadiums (most recently in Milwaukee) and it seems that these cities/teams really cater to a tailgating crowd, and they realize that it's a great part of the fun.

I was driving around our new stadium the other day and was struck at the lack of areas to tailgate down there. Am I missing it?

Was tailgating taken into consideration at all when building this place, or is everyone hoping that people will spend $7 for a beer and $10 for a sandwich at one of the local establishments down there?

I'm not talking about slamming a case of beer before a game. Just simply doing some grilling and having a couple beers on a nice day...like people have been doing for years and years all around the country.

I hope there will be opportunities for this, but my gut tells me that our fair city either didn't factor this into the equation, or has found some way to limit the fun, just like they seem to do with everything else.

Thanks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The lack of area to tailgate? They put the thing in a soup can, dissapointing yes.

I think they intentionally did it to make people spend money at the local businesses in stead

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Should not be surprised its not about making the fans happy its about the revenue they can bring in. Other wise they would have put the stadium in a more accessible area.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Milwaukee and Kansas City have the best tailgaiting set ups in the major leagues. Minnesota? Not so much. It's illegal to tailgate in most parking lots near the Dome and Target Field will be worse. It's a shame really, but that's what you get when you move downtown. Without the backing of the local businesses there would be no new stadium.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"Minnesota - The State Where Nothing is Allowed". Getting more true every day...

This really is too bad. We used to get to a hockey game early to go to one of the restaurants...but you can't get a seat anywhere within 20 blocks of the place.

Even with the number of options down by Target field, I can't imagine cramming 30,000 people into the restaurants/bars on game day.

It's really too bad that things are so short sighted. The residents of Hennepin County also put up some big $$ for this place, but I guess we can't be trusted to grill a burger and have a beer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I grew up in Milwaukee and tailgating is as much a part of the game experience as the actual game. We used to tailgate before games, get the $3 bleacher seats, and sit in the sun at County Stadium. I can still smell the stale beer, cigarettes, and here the announcer warning us not to be the "two-fisted slopper." Ahhh, the memories.

Anyway, the Twin Cities is terrible for tailgating. I even have great memories of tailgating for Gopher and Vikings games before they turned everything into condos. Tailgating is what makes going to games fun even when your team sucks. I wasn't going to Brewers games in the late 1980s because they were good. Same with the Vikings and Gophers. Teams need to recognize that tailgating is actually part of the draw to sports.

Instead, those in charge decided that a 0.15% county stadium tax would be a good reason to drive ticket holders into local establishments. Whatever, I'll likely only go to these games where they are winning since the powers-that-be took away the only fun part of it that was left...tailgating.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think we need to weigh the pros and cons of this one. I agree with SledNeck, at the end of the day I'm there to watch the Twins. I've been to Miller Park and while there is tailgating as far as the eye can see, personally I think its kind of a dump. It's like the stadium fell out of the sky and landed in the middle of a overgrown WalMart parking lot with nothing else around.

From everything I've read and from the pictures I've seen posted online, Target Field is going to be a pretty special place to watch a baseball game. While there might not be the same tailgating opportunities as say a Miller Park, I think the gameday atmosphere will be awesome. I travel for work and go to quite a few Colorado Rockies games in Denver. Their stadium is right downtown, with no tailgating lots that I am aware of and it's an fantastic neighborhood to hang out before/after a game. Also, since they squeezed Target Field into such a small space, I think fans are going to happy with the number of quality seats regardless of where they are in the stadium. I personally can't wait for Target Field, it should be a great improvement over the Dome. My only negative is that it should of had a retractable roof. Early spring and late fall games will be chilly.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Posts

    • I have fished for trout in my home waters for fifty-five years. The places I call home are the waters of the Wisconsin driftless area. Trout are my favorite species to chase. The trout of my waters have fluctuated over my more than a half century of fishing. Trout are instinctual creatures.  The big wily brown trout are my quarry.  They are portrayed as superior entities when in fact they have a brain the size of a pea. Do you want the keys to the castle?   I have seen many trends and fads come and go in the trout world.  This fancy rod and that special fly have cycled through a dozen times in my lifetime. Anglers come and go and so do the latest new fangled trends.  The constants in the trout world are the seasons and good old Mother Nature.  If you want a real leg up on those trout you should pay attention to the seasons and the changes they cause in the trout’s environment.     The weather in Wisconsin can be a harsh mistress.  The extremes are the norm here.  We could have twenty inches of snow on the ground and below zero temperatures and what seems like a blink of the eye in Wisconsin it changes.  The snow could melt and the next time you go fishing it could be radically different.  You need to roll with the seasonal changes and modify the way you fish and where you fish.

        This frigid morning in January was shaping up to be a “skunk” outing.  My friend was cold and told me he had enough and wanted to head back to the vehicle.  I talked him out of heading back.  We had taken the stream temperatures earlier and we hadn’t found a one reading over thirty-six degrees.

      The outdoor temperature was twenty-six degrees and not looking like it was going to warm up.  I had scouted this area prior and our fishing was going to get better I told him.
        Do you see the log laying on the right side of the stream?  Just on the other side of the log is a tiny trickle feeding in.  This trickle is a tiny spring.  Springs run year round here at about forty-two degrees constant.  Where that spring fed in caused a six degree temperature swing just downstream.  That little trickle made the stream bearable for the trout.    I have found many trickles during the early season when the grass is down that I cannot see even a month later due to weed growth.  It was like the Bahamas in that halo of the spring.  We caught seven trout in that tiny spot. Many feeders are not easily found during the summer.  They are covered up by weeds.  You can only discover them when the weeds are down in winter or early spring. I emphasize the word trickle here because they may be tiny and you will miss them if you are not looking for them.   My friend Andy and I fished this exact hole in September.  We both caught four trout each in this bend in September.  We couldn’t buy a bite in March.  What was different now?  First off the water temperatures were in the sixties in September and in the middle thirties in March. Trout lay in different areas during cold and warm conditions.     In Wisconsin winters the trout are in survival mode.  They need to find good lays where they don’t have to expend too much energy to hold in place and wait for food. The calories required to hold in place in this cold fast water is a negative formula for calories gained. This shallow fast current hole is great when the water temperatures are in the sixties and the trout can hide in the broken fast water.  In thirty degree water this holding place has no one home.  I would look for the deepest water either direction for two hundred yards.  This is where the trout would winter.
      One picture says a thousand words.  It was twenty degrees below out this day. The water temperature at this spring head tells the tale. It measured at forty degrees.  I like to call these Bahamas causing the water temperatures to fluctuate. A thermometer is a must to get a leg up on these instinctual creatures. This spring is a glaring thermal. 

       Many anglers discount some thermals because they are not so obvious.  A swamp is nothing more than a spring spreading out and they have the same properties as a small stream emptying into a larger waterway.  There does not need to be an obvious entry point to these swamps causing thermals.  They can leech through the surrounding banks and make their way into your stream.
        I am going to stay on thermals but switch seasons.  The temperature fluctuations you found to indicate where to find the wily trout in winter holds true in the dog days of summer.  I went with a Natural Resources crew to do a shocking.     The stretch we were to shock was a non-designated area way below typical trout water.  Even on a typical summer’s day in Wisconsin this waterway was almost too warm to fish in it.  Many anglers considered this “frog water” and dismissed it.  What a giant mistake they were making. 

       When water temperatures are near seventy degrees, it is recommended not to fish for trout.  It plain and simply puts too much stress on the fish and raises the mortality rates to an unacceptable risk for the trout.  Streams that are warmer have less dissolved oxygen in them.  Trout caught in water near seventy degrees have a hard time recovering from a battle due to the lack of oxygen.     I was in charge of the thermometer and Garmin on this trek into frog water with the fisheries folks.  Every thirty yards I was asked to take the temperature and write it down with the GPS coordinates. I was asked to submerge the thermometer at least halfway to the bottom to take the readings. I needed to hold the thermometer in place for ten seconds. I also was advised to make sure there was no secondary warming from my hands holding it.  The lead worker said the trout actually live in the lower half of water columns. The water temperatures hovered around seventy degrees at first.  We did not shock up trout in these areas.   We started to shock up some trout.  They were smaller fish.  I took the temperature and there was a slight change.  I looked around for a spring or a feeder creek.  There were none to be found. The fisheries staff told me to take more frequent measurements and log them. They were trying to prove a theory they had. I measured every ten yards on this stretch.  The temperatures continued to go down. The water temperatures were in the low sixties now and we were shocking numerous trout to the surface.  It was quite amazing how the numbers and sizes of the trout increased as the water got colder on this stretch.   We shocked up some true monsters from this waterway and then they just vanished.  The alpha or large predator trout had the lays in the coolest hides.  I could not see anything feeding in.  It was a true mystery to me.  There was a swamp about thirty yards from the stream.  It had no obvious entry points.  I followed my thermometer to its access point.  The swamp leeched into the stream and the only tell tale evidence was found with my thermometer.  

       The only visual evidence was softer banks that extended a couple of feet toward the swamps near the coldest points and these were my thermals.  I would not have discovered them without my thermometer. You can guess where the biggest brown were shock up correct?  Their noses were stuck right in the area where the trickles fed in.   I fish with many folks and they must grow weary of waiting for me to quit messing with my thermometer. Some stretches I fish regularly I leave my thermometer in my vest because of my historical data. My friend Dan Braun and I took a break during the midday of fishing due to water temperatures being too high and dangerous for the trout.  The outside temperature this day was eighty-eight degrees.  Dan took a temperature check at this spring head and it measured forty degrees. It is amazing to see a light bulb go on when another angler finally figures out why I am fiddling with my thermometer.
        The next time you fire up your computer check out the thermometers for sale.  There are many new and trendy versions.  There are many kinds.  I believe a keep it simple purchase is in order.  A bungee cord to hook them to your vest is a must purchase. A durable thermometer with easy to read numbers is what I carry. 

       I have been drawn to marginal frog water for over half a century now in Wisconsin’s driftless area.  My photos of big browns don’t lie.


       
    • Moose is staying home with no ice
    • Those "extended warranties" are mainly a cheap scam. The small print will ruin your day. And buying one AFTER  you have have the vehicle for a while compounds the mess.  Don't do it.
    • Til the end of my days, I will never understand why the northern states don't just stay open til January. What's it gonna hurt?
    • How much was spent on the one worthless count? Priceless Liber crybaby B as in S!
    • At least post a couple pics...   Those trees that move - get removed!  No body work but brakes and oil are needed.  The burning rubber smell finally went away today. 
    • Does the truck smoke when you start it or does it smoke when you step on it hard?  
    • I have one of these fans that came with my one I bought, I am taking it out as i don't want power, my shack is really only a day shack and stays at my cottage.  My fan is mounted on a the bottom of my empire 15k.
  • Our Sponsors