Guests - If You want access to member only forums on HSO. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on HotSpotOutdoors.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

  • Announcements

    • Rick

      Members Only Fluid Forum View   08/08/2017

      Fluid forum view allows members only to get right to the meat of this community; the topics. You can toggle between your preferred forum view just below to the left on the main forum entrance. You will see three icons. Try them out and see what you prefer.   Fluid view allows you, if you are a signed up member, to see the newest topic posts in either all forums (select none or all) or in just your favorite forums (select the ones you want to see when you come to Fishing Minnesota). It keeps and in real time with respect to Topic posts and lets YOU SELECT YOUR FAVORITE FORUMS. It can make things fun and easy. This is especially true for less experienced visitors raised on social media. If you, as a members want more specific topics, you can even select a single forum to view. Let us take a look at fluid view in action. We will then break it down and explain how it works in more detail.   The video shows the topic list and the forum filter box. As you can see, it is easy to change the topic list by changing the selected forums. This view replaces the traditional list of categories and forums.   Of course, members only can change the view to better suit your way of browsing.   You will notice a “grid” option. We have moved the grid forum theme setting into the main forum settings. This makes it an option for members only to choose. This screenshot also shows the removal of the forum breadcrumb in fluid view mode. Fluid view remembers your last forum selection so you don’t lose your place when you go back to the listing. The benefit of this feature is easy to see. It removes a potential barrier of entry for members only. It puts the spotlight on topics themselves, and not the hierarchical forum structure. You as a member will enjoy viewing many forums at once and switching between them without leaving the page. We hope that fluid view, the new functionality is an asset that you enjoy .
Sign in to follow this  
mnhunter 3815

NASCAR may implement harsher penalties for blocking and aggressive dri

Recommended Posts

If Edwards didn't go airborn, which caused spectator injuries, this wouldn't be an issue.

As much as I can't stand Kenny Wallace, I had to agree with what he said yesterday - spinning someone out of the way to win a race isn't bad. Spinning them out and sending them airborn is bad. The speed has become an issue again, just like it did in 1987 when Bobby Allison had the same type of accident.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Whats wrong with a clean race with a skilled driver and a well set up car winning?

Because that ain't NASCAR. Drivers banging into each other with these full-body cars and tempers flying are why people are drawn to it and always have been. If you want drivers who raise their pinky when drinking bottled water from the Alps and gentlemen racing then there is F1 and other open wheel series that need fans.

They've already screwed up this sport enough with their knee-jerk reactions and the decreasing popularity is a result of that. If NASCAR keeps making these reactive decisions they're going to need fans too pretty soon. Quit messing with a successful formula that has worked for decades. Change isn't always for the better!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would simply like to see a clean race and who is the best at racing and not who is the biggest hack. Anyone can hack their way around a track. Tempers and banging has never drawn me to the sport but the hacks and cheap shots could chase me away.

I will never understand the thinking that a driver that pounds his way around a track makes for a good race. That does not take much for skills at all.

I have been approached by many fans who say they enjoy it when we go racing and win a race and he never hits one car yet passes them all. Now thats a race.

If I wanted to see a demo derby, I would attend the county fair.

Don't now anyhting about pinkies and such.

Nascar will be just fine.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just curious here does anyone think Brad Keselowski's last lap reaction or lack of reaction (keeping his foot on the gas) was wrong?

Also can one really expect even the best set up cars to perform perfectly while running in a pack of cars all doing 200 plus mph? I mean C'mon the cars are going to wiggle and move around with the tremendous amount of aero that occur's in a pack like that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When the late great Dale Earnhardt crashed a guy out of the race everyone cheered. No rule changes then. If jr. crashed someone out of a race to win there wouldn't be an issue either. Want to watch good clean racing tune in to Moto Gp or Ama Superbike. Much better racing there anyways. Nasscar is a joke anyway. Don't want everyone packed up on superspeedways? Easy solution, take off the plates and see who can drive at 230mph. The plate races definately do not reward talent in any way, nor do the new cars they use.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Kinda funny that anyone would mention aggressive driving/stiffer penalties, going into Richmond.

Should the rules be different at higher speeds? Taking someone out at Martinsville is alot different than say Michigan!!

Is it aggressive driving when you push a guy around the track like Talladega?? Or just cut him off at the finish line?

Nascar doesn't need to change a thing. My gosh look at that race Sunday. It was a tribute to all the new safety implemented since Dale's terrible crash. The COT is a tank. Newmans car withstood an incredible impact. The fence did it's job keeping the 99 on the track. The Hans defices allowed all the drivers to walk away. Heck even Edwards sprinted to the finish line. And ask Robbie Gordon about the safer barriers on the infield walls!!

It just really burned my butt that Carl Edwards was quoted as saying that "Nascar is gonna let this happen til someone gets killed." Are you kidding me? Let what happen? Idiots like you trying to cut someone off at 190 mph?? Edwards walked away from that crash because of changes made by NASCAR following tragedy.

The only change Nascar needs to make is to teach some of it's drivers how to RESPECT each other. People will get killed only if the drivers lose respect for life!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted By: harvey lee
Whats wrong with a clean race with a skilled driver and a well set up car winning?

Because that ain't NASCAR. Drivers banging into each other with these full-body cars and tempers flying are why people are drawn to it and always have been. If you want drivers who raise their pinky when drinking bottled water from the Alps and gentlemen racing then there is F1 and other open wheel series that need fans.

They've already screwed up this sport enough with their knee-jerk reactions and the decreasing popularity is a result of that. If NASCAR keeps making these reactive decisions they're going to need fans too pretty soon. Quit messing with a successful formula that has worked for decades. Change isn't always for the better!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted By: LMITOUT
Originally Posted By: harvey lee
Whats wrong with a clean race with a skilled driver and a well set up car winning?

Because that ain't NASCAR. Drivers banging into each other with these full-body cars and tempers flying are why people are drawn to it and always have been. If you want drivers who raise their pinky when drinking bottled water from the Alps and gentlemen racing then there is F1 and other open wheel series that need fans.

They've already screwed up this sport enough with their knee-jerk reactions and the decreasing popularity is a result of that. If NASCAR keeps making these reactive decisions they're going to need fans too pretty soon. Quit messing with a successful formula that has worked for decades. Change isn't always for the better!

Originally Posted By: CPRJoe
Kinda funny that anyone would mention aggressive driving/stiffer penalties, going into Richmond.

Should the rules be different at higher speeds? Taking someone out at Martinsville is alot different than say Michigan!!

Is it aggressive driving when you push a guy around the track like Talladega?? Or just cut him off at the finish line?

Nascar doesn't need to change a thing. My gosh look at that race Sunday. It was a tribute to all the new safety implemented since Dale's terrible crash. The COT is a tank. Newmans car withstood an incredible impact. The fence did it's job keeping the 99 on the track. The Hans defices allowed all the drivers to walk away. Heck even Edwards sprinted to the finish line. And ask Robbie Gordon about the safer barriers on the infield walls!!

It just really burned my butt that Carl Edwards was quoted as saying that "Nascar is gonna let this happen til someone gets killed." Are you kidding me? Let what happen? Idiots like you trying to cut someone off at 190 mph?? Edwards walked away from that crash because of changes made by NASCAR following tragedy.

2 excellent posts

3 excellent posts grin

put me in the enough changes camp. I dont like open wheel stuff where girls run without breaking a nail. Clear out the bottom rows of seats, put up a stronger fence, and as Dale sr said take off the damm plates and go race shocked

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sounds like I am the only one who enjoys a good clean race to really see who is the best.

A good clean race is fine, but what you are asking for is not neccessarily the best driver, you are looking for the fastest, best handling car and that isn't what Nascar was built on.

The best driver IMO is someone who can take a mediocre car and bring it to the checkered flag by using the draft, forcing people out of the way (Notice I didn't say wreck them, but sometimes it unintentionally happens), pit strategy, teaming up with other drivers, and luck in avoiding the wrecks.

The races I find incredibly boring are when your so called 'best driver' gets to the front at lap 10 and stays there the entire race. He didn't have to force himself into that position, he just got there and stayed there, did he earn it? In my mind, no, he just had the best car at the beginning of the race and nobody was able to catch him...YAWN...thats not the driver, thats the car.

I hated seeing what happened to Carl this weekend just as much as you, but face it that was racing, Keselowski had a run, he went low, held his line and Carl came down trying to block him. BK never intentionally tried spinning him, Carl did it to himself. The only way for BK to have avoided that wreck would be to either drop below the yellow line and risk DQ or hit the brakes and fall 15 spots and risk getting rear ended and spun by a much faster car from behind.

Let me make this clear, I don't watch Nascar for the wrecks, I watch it because I like the strategy part of it, I like the addrenaline rush of watching 3 wide in the corner at 200mph, I like trying to figure out whats going to happen next based on the drivers personality and driving style, and soooo much more!!

If you start penalizing the drivers for blocking and aggressive driving where is the limit? "Oh no!! Kyle Busch swerved too fast to go around Stewart....$25,000", "Newman wouldn't let Jr pass him....$45,000".....wave goodbye to Nascar say hello to the soccer mom who complains because the other kids are playing 'too rough'.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with you harvey, but I am a firm believer that nascar has created the problem. Every single car (body) in the field is dang near identical, oh ya all the shocks-tires-springs-etc.are all the same also. To me the only difference is the manufactures engine and that is closely regulated by nascar. If Carl had the best car in the field he wouldn't of had to go down than up to block the car behind him. JMO.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh no, I do agree with you Harvey. That would be the perfect race. It's just that with the way NASCAR has these rules set with the COT and the limitations teams have on adjustments, it seems as though the races are incredibly boring or overly exciting due to the bumping and banging. So, what you end up with is races where it is very difficult to pass and you play follow the leader, or if you want to make a pass you have to get physical and use your bumper a bit. Do I like it? No. However, it's a self imposed problem brought on by NASCAR itself. I do not like the fact that they are putting the drivers / teams in this small box with which to work. We have discussed it at great length on this forum before with the changes we felt NASCAR could make to make it better. I am just very frustrated and disappointed that the people that are the NASCAR rules makers are really simple idiots at times.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  



  • Posts

    • To answer your question, at peak eclipse I measured 3500 LUX outside, which is brighter than thick clouds. To fish, what happened today was a typical cloud moved in front of the sun.
    • I did, but didn't find anything. Not sure I am doing a proper keyword search however. I believe it is called a termination cap. 
    • So, what is your training that makes you more of an expert than the Cardiac Rehab center of the Mayo Clinic?   You got the 6 week certificate in sales from the Chiropractic Institute?   Seriously, do you have a degree in a health field?  Have you even had any serious scientific training in any field?  Last I recall, didn't you work selling gadgets to Chiropractors or something?  I know you are a big fan of the subluxations and spinal adjustments to cure cancer and diabetes and prevent autism as touted by straight chiropractors.   
    • Here's some footage from the last couple weeks in central and northern WI. Gotta work at it to find the big ones, but managed to find some nice ones lately!  
    • Yup. Like a shopping cart.  
    • Well, being you are not engaging your hamstrings on that treadmill, and you're TRAINING on it!!, you can pretty much guarantee your feet sliding out from underneath you, slipping on the ice next time you encounter it.  Thank you treadmill, best piece of equipment in the gym, for an orthopedic surgeon.   Let me guess, you like to walk slow on it, so its good for you.....?  
    • Thanks RD!  Good info. That's an interesting technique with the Chatterbait.  I will try it.  If you don't mind -- what kind of trailer do you like with the Chatterbait for that technique?  There will be 3 of us fishing so it will a little tight.  Probably will only bring 3 rods...  I am thinking a Jig rod, T-rig rod (plan to try a Nekko rig with this as well)  and one moving bait rod (Spinnerbait, Chatterbait, Buzzbait, Frog, Cranks, etc.)  The great thing about Ottertail county (like others in Mn), there are a thousand lakes... we will hit 2 or 3 a day.  If we have good conditions (low pressure/moderate wind) we will probably try Musky on Battle Lake.
    • Mahi are hard to catch in Minnesota.  Specialized equipment is required. 
    • Any recent reports?
  • Our Sponsors