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  1. Yard birds!
  2. Day 4 Morning I think we were both tired of trying to call birds across private fences, so we decided to try going for the distant gobbles I heard when I shot my bird. There was actually a decent gravel road that went into this area and allowed us to have an easy walk into where I felt the birds should be. We got in early to try to get there ahead of any other hunters, but it didn't seem to matter. Forest roads were abundant, so walking was easy. We went right to the spot I had a bird gobble from a few days prior, and waited. It didn't take long for the flock to start making noise, and we only had to move a little ways to get close to them. As usual the turkeys all came down and went away from us. They set up shop on a long ridge and seemed content to just stay there. We had no easy approach so set up our own position on the forest road we were on which was covered in tracks. Other birds were gobbling in the distance the opposite way, and when one sounded close we chose to go for him. Nothing came of that little walk other than the loss of a $65 custom call... On the plus side we found a nice deer skull. Back to the flock, one gobbler would respond to a crow call, so we knew they were still up on the hill. We made a painfully slow walk straight at them since they were high enough up they hopefully wouldn't see us. When we got to the timber they stopped responding, so we guessed they went over the top. We worked our way up and found where they had been feeding. Just shy of the top we set up to call just in case they were over the lip of the hill. We received an immediate response to some lite hen yelps and clucks. A hen with the gobbler was not at all pleased that we were there. We got into a bit of a yelling match with her. She was coming closer, dragging the gobbler with her. When I heard drumming I motioned for my uncle to get the gun up since he was still calling. In a few moments I saw a tail fan cresting the hill. He angled left, looked around, went behind a tree. I heard him go into strut and drum... BANG!
  3. Day 3 Afternoon We went for a short walk into the area I thought I heard the birds gobble in the distance when I shot my bird. We couldn't find any birds and were nearly done with our walk when I glassed across a cow pasture and saw birds up in some trees! I quickly checked the map and found that they were dangerously close to public land. We made a dash for the car. The walk in to this spot was pretty short and very close to houses and the farm that had the cows. We ended up close to the fence and I felt the turkeys we saw should be just below us. Some whitetail deer spooked and then turkeys started filing past along the fence. I counted four or five hens, but no gobbler. We stayed a bit and crow called thinking maybe a flock got busted up. In the end we just backed out without spooking the hens off.
  4. I hope just typing the submission will be OK, I don't have access to a printer here. Forum Member: Cheetah Date: April 22, 2017 Team Name: Team 2 Youth Hunter(17 or younger): No Turkey Subspecies: Merriams State/Province Bird was Harvested In: South Dakota Turkey’s Stats Beard Length 8.5 inches Spur Length (R) 15/16 inches (L) 9/16 inches (half shot off!) Weight 19lb 3oz I certify that the measurements listed above are accurate to the best of my ability. Forum Member: Joshua Tschida Date: 4/22 Witness: Neil Tschida Date: 4/22
  5. Day 3 Morning. I was worried that more hunters might be in our spot now that it is Saturday. After dropping off my uncle at his blind, I found a truck at my parking spot. Oh well, I figured how many thousand acres does a guy need to himself? I proceeded to make a fast walk back to where the birds roosted at the private fence and figured I would set up so they might come across. As I was making my way down the ridge with birds gobbling across the fence I heard some yelping on my side, and it sure did sound like a box call... I quickly located the two hunters, a father and son, and let them know where I was going and that I had seen some hens there the previous day. They were nice guys and I hope they had some action. I moved on another quarter mile and set up on another hill within hearing range of the flock, not that it did any good, the birds on the private land had no interest in coming across the fence. So I got up and went on a big walk to check out some out of the way pockets of timber that might hold birds. Of course there were none there, but it was pretty country and would be really nice if it hadn't burned out years ago. If I was a turkey I'd live back there, not many hunters would walk that far in... Eventually I talked to my uncle who said he had seen some birds go past him and over a hill that lead to a canyon that I thought they might stay in. I took the high path above the canyon but didn't see any activity. After a while I thought I heard a gobble up the canyon past where the timber ended. I dropped in and worked my way up the canyon. I kept expecting to see birds with every bend I passed, and there really was just a walking path through rocky cliffs. I came out into an open valley with a dried creek bed going down it, burned like the previous hills in the same fire, and zero cover anywhere. Way off ahead I heard gobbles, at least a mile up near some far off timber, so I figured I'd just keep walking and see what happens. After a half mile or so I rounded a bend near some brush at the base of a power pole. I caught a slight bit of movement near the brush and froze. It looked like a turkey down in the creek bed! What the heck are they doing there?! One red spot stood out, not moving at all, and looking my way. I thought it must be a gobbler, but it wasn't moving. I didn't dare move even to raise my binocs, I was only about 60yd from them. Hens were popping into view, but that gobbler didn't want to give up on me. It took a solid 10 minutes of me standing in the wide open for the gobbler to calm down and start feeding again. I saw a few hens follow him around the curve in the creek bed, so I dropped my pack and started creeping forward. Within 10yd I saw one hen still in the open, she made me and started running, fortunately away from the flock. I sprinted at where the flock would be, trying to close the distance. The rest of the flock saw the first hen running and came into view. They didn't like what they saw... The whole group ran out of the creek bed and behind some of the brush as they made for the hills. I made it to a clear shooting lane just as they were running up the rocky hillside. I rough guessed it for 50yd, a bit far, saw two red heads, and finally a beard on one. He paused, I shot. He took flight, but was slow to get off the ground, and I let him have it again. This time he was busted up and crashed into a pile of boulders. After some dinking around trying to get in to him he took off running and I had to finish him off with my last shell. I later confirmed with a range finder the first two shots were 50yd exactly. Not an ideal way to get a bird, but when hunting is tough you gotta take what you can get! Here's a shot of the action from above, I started back by the two pines left of the power pole, and the birds were in the low spot right of the pole.
  6. I shot a nice Black Hills gobbler today. 19.2lb, 15/16" spurs (one shot half off...), 8.5" beard. A good bird for out here on public land! More to come later, need to eat some lunch...
  7. No luck last night, birds never even touched public land, just went straight for the private yard to roost there.
  8. Quick update while eating lunch... First day was very tough. Heard a couple gobbles near private land, they went there instead of public, no luck. I made a long walk looking for birds and sign, found no birds, very little sign. Lots of elk sign up high, found one shed. Uncle had the same bad luck. Proceeded to go on a long drive looking for birds and found nothing, very disappointing. We tried another spot that we've shot birds in before, but again no sign and no birds. While driving back to the house for a late lunch we checked one more spot that we didn't like last time, but this time saw two gobblers strutting 80yd off the road on public! Proceeded to sneak in and call, but the hens led them away... At dark we came back and roosted a huge flock on the private side of the fence, made plans for morning to come back. Day 2 went back to where those birds were roosted after looking at some maps. Uncle set up right across the road, I went a mile down the ridge line beyond the private land to see if they would come that way. I ended up chasing a flock on roost that turned out to be right above somebodies garage... Walked the area and found four hens but nothing to shoot. Called my uncle and he said there were birds by him on both sides of the road. He watched the big flock fly down to a driveway and the gobblers chased eachother around the guy's pickup truck... I drove past him and walked in to a bird way behind him and up a high ridge. Got above it and came back down to 70yd or so and thought he was just below a lip in the hill so just as I was sitting down at a tree the dang bird jumped down out of a young pine tree he was in! This was at 10am! He just walked away at that point, didn't quite know what I was fortunately... Strutting and gobbling at the bottom of the ridge as he left. Went back to my uncle, he had a jake come in range but passed, and also had a gobbler circle his blind and literally rub against it, and look into the opening at him to see where the calling was coming from! Didn't even go to the decoys 10yd away. He didn't get a shot, it just walked back the way it came and behind some blowdowns... We are eating lunch now, will go back there for the afternoon.
  9. I am leaving for SD Black Hills tomorrow to hunt through Monday. Last year we saw a lot of jakes, so I am hopeful that many made it through the winter.
  10. Sutty is actually hunting with me in MN, just dumb luck we ended up on the same team.
  11. CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE, CERVID - NORWAY: REINDEER HERD SLAUGHTER ***************************************************************** A ProMED-mail post <> ProMED-mail is a program of the International Society for Infectious Diseases <> Date: Mon 3 Apr 2017 5:30 PM Source: Science Magazine [edited] <> A year after a deadly and highly contagious wildlife disease surfaced in Norway, the country is taking action. Chronic wasting disease (CWD), caused by misfolded proteins called prions, has already ravaged deer and elk in North America, costing rural economies millions in lost revenue from hunting. Its presence in Norway's reindeer and moose -- the 1st cases in Europe -- is "a very serious situation for the environment and for our culture and traditions," says Bj?rnar Ytrehus, a veterinary researcher at the Norwegian Institute for Nature Research in Trondheim. Last week [week of 26 Mar 2017], Norway's minister of agriculture and food gave the green light for hunters to kill off the entire herd in which 3 infected individuals were found, about 2000 reindeer, or nearly 6 per cent of the country's wild population. "We have to take action now," says Karen Johanne Baalsrud, director of plant and animal health at the Norwegian Food Safety Authority in Oslo. The deer's habitat will be quarantined for at least 5 years to prevent reinfection. The odds of a successful eradication, experts say, will depend largely on how long CWD has been present in Norway. [This is a factor that is unknown. - Mod.TG] CWD, discovered in 1967, has been found in 24 US states and 2 Canadian provinces, and it has been spread in part by shipments of infected animals. Many species of cervids are susceptible, including elk, moose, and several kinds of deer. Infected animals typically begin showing signs such as weight loss, lethargy, and drooling 2 to 3 years after infection and then die within months. In Wyoming, where CWD has been endemic for decades, up to 40 per cent of some herds are infected, and white-tailed deer populations are declining by 10 per cent a year. CWD is very contagious: Prions spread easily through saliva, urine, and feces, and can linger in the environment for years, which suggests that feeding stations and salt licks are hot spots of infection. Once the disease has become firmly established, environmental contamination makes eradication very hard, says Christina Sigurdson, a prion researcher at the University of California, San Diego. "It hasn't been shown so far to be possible," she says. There's no evidence that humans can get sick from eating infected deer, but it is not recommended. (Mad cow disease, also caused by prions, can infect people who eat contaminated meat and has caused more than 200 deaths so far.) [Please note, the expert cited here says that eradication in the environment has not been shown to be possible so far. It would be useful to know on what scientific data the decision was made that 5 years is a long enough a quarantine. - Mod.TG] Norway's 1st CWD case was detected by chance after wildlife biologists working in the rugged mountains of Nordfjella found a sick young reindeer on 15 March 2016. After its death, tests at the Norwegian Veterinary Institute (NVI) in Oslo pointed to CWD. "I couldn't believe it," says NVI prion researcher Sylvie Benestad. But international reference labs confirmed her diagnosis. The prions resemble those found in North American deer, Benestad and her colleagues have found. How the disease got to Norway is a mystery. Prions may have arrived in deer urine, which is bottled in the United States and sold as a lure, or perhaps they hitched a ride on hiking boots or hunting gear. But prion diseases can also start spontaneously, after proteins begin to misfold in a single individual, and Benestad's hunch is that this is a more likely scenario. [Paragraph 4, above, states, "Prions spread easily through saliva, urine, and feces, and can linger in the environment for years..." so if urine is imported as a lure, then they may have imported it. - Mod.TG] After the initial discovery, Norwegian officials began looking for other cases. A local hunter found 2 moose with CWD near the town of Selbu, 40 kilometers [25 miles] south east of Trondheim (see map on original page), in May 2016. During last fall's hunting season, thousands of hunters and other volunteers collected about 8000 brain samples from all over the country, turning up 2 more cases of infected reindeer near Nordfjella. The cases in Nordfjella and Selbu are likely not linked, says Benestad, as the reindeer and moose have different types of prions. Hot zone Reindeer will be slaughtered in Nordfjella, Norway; no culling is recommended for the area near Trondheim where 2 moose with CWD have been found. An advisory panel convened by the Norwegian Scientific Committee for Food Safety last week [week of 26 Mar 2017] suggested different approaches for the 2 locations. Around Selbu, it recommended increased surveillance, but no culling of moose yet. The 2 infected moose were older animals, suggesting that these were cases of spontaneous disease, which are less likely to be infectious. (The reason why: In spontaneous cases of prion disease, such as in sheep, prions are only found in the brain.) And even if the unusual prions in moose are contagious, the solitary nature of these animals lowers the chances of transmission. Reindeer, however, are the most gregarious of cervids, and the 3 sick individuals in Nordfjella could easily have spread prions. Culling the entire herd would be "drastic", the panel acknowledged, but should be attempted as soon as possible. The slaughter, to start in August, will be carried out by amateur hunters, who can eat the meat if prion tests come back negative. Professional sharpshooters will be used to find any elusive survivors. "We will do whatever it takes," says Erik Lund, a senior wildlife adviser at the Norwegian Environment Agency in Trondheim. [This article acknowledges that this is a drastic procedure. Given that urine can contain prions, then it is likely that the infected animals have already peed their prion to the environment and possibly to other animals. - Mod.TG] Until the operation begins, wildlife rangers are patrolling to prevent animals from leaving or entering the herd's 2000-square-kilometer habitat. The area is ringed by paved roads, which reindeer don't like to cross, but if any do, the rangers have orders to track down and kill them. Repopulation won't begin until at least 2022. Benestad says testing old feces may be a way to check whether prions lingering in the environment have degraded. [Do prions degrade at the same rate as the feces? Is there a reliable test for prions in degrading feces? - Mod.TG] Based on the prevalence in Nordfjella -- estimated at 1 per cent -- Lund guesses that CWD may have been present for only 5 to 7 years, which could mean contamination is minimal. "There's a good chance they can solve the problem," says wildlife ecologist Michael Samuel of the University of Wisconsin in Madison. Quick response has been shown to work before: In 2005, routine testing revealed CWD on 2 deer farms in central New York. Strict regulations prevented the disease from spreading. The state has seen no cases since. But it's also possible that CWD is lurking elsewhere in Norway, the panel noted. The agencies will collect another 20 000 samples in the coming hunting season, and they plan to continue monitoring for years to come. The specter of CWD has also alarmed the European Food Safety Authority, which released a report in January [2017] recommending that 7 nearby countries all begin 3-year sampling programs. Clarification, 4 April, 4.20 p.m.: The paragraph explaining why no culling is planned around Selbu has been edited to make it clearer. [byline: Erik Stokstad] -- communicated by: ProMED-mail <> [This article does not provide any indication that the reindeer owner(s) will be indemnified in any way. This is a brutal blow to the owner's loss of his animals, his income, and apparently his property as well. One wonders how he will make a living now that his land and livelihood are being removed. This article cites NY as being a success at eradicating this disease. Yet, with disease of any kind it is always a case of search and you shall find. Furthermore the case in NY was a deer in confinement, a deer in captivity for raising. Consequently, since it was a confined deer, then the chances of spread were much less. The date line and plan of the follow-up procedures in NY can be found on <>. Other states have tried to kill their way out of CWD situations with little or no success. This area sounds large and although roads are thought to contain the reindeer, the roads may not prevent other wildlife from dragging carcasses in or from other infected cervids having contact with the land or the reindeer. Aside from a captive deer with CWD and NY's experience I see nothing scientific about the justification for the slaughter of these animals. >From the discussion chapter in a 2016 Norwegian paper (open access at <>). [Please note the sentences or paragraphs marked with * as important. Please also note the references are in the article cited above. - Mod.TG] A major question concerns the origin of CWD in Norway. Importation of CWD infected deer could be the source of infection, as was the case in South Korea. However, Norway has strict legislation and enforcement regarding the importation of live animals and importation of cervids is not allowed. The only exceptions are a few moose that have been imported to zoos from Sweden. All red deer (_Cervus elaphus_) kept in farms originate from wild Norwegian populations. It seems unlikely that this CWD case is due to imported infected cervids unless illegal imports from North America to Norway have taken place. It is however noteworthy that Finland's white tailed deer population, estimated at 60 000 animals, originated from 1 import from North America in 1934 of 4 does and 1 buck. Due to the CWD situation in North America, Finland targeted TSE testing especially to the white tailed deer in the period between 2003 and 2015, and a total of 643 white tailed deer have been tested and found negative for CWD (Sirkka-Liisa Korpenfelt, EVIRA, Finland, personal communication). Another possibility of contamination is through hunting urine baits imported from North America, but for the time being, no information about the use of these baits in Norway is available. It has been speculated that the origin of CWD in North American cervids may be associated with classical scrapie because some scrapie infected sheep had been penned together with deer at a research center between 1968 and 1971 [4, 15, 16]. To support this hypothesis, Tamg?ney [17] reported the successful transmission of one classical scrapie isolate into transgenic mice carrying the elk prion protein gene [Tg(ElkPrP) mice], but it is noteworthy that the agent signature (as defined by lesion profile) in these mice was different from that in mice inoculated with CWD, suggesting that the scrapie and CWD agent were distinct strains. Norway has had a scrapie surveillance program in place since 1997 with a total of 264 000 small ruminants analyzed. Few cases of classical scrapie have been diagnosed in Norway and the last case was identified in 2009. There are no reports of classical scrapie within the range of the Nordfjella reindeer sub-population, but as sheep traditionally are transported over long distances to graze in mountain pastures, it cannot be formally excluded that reindeer in this or a nearby subpopulation could have been exposed to sheep with classical scrapie at some point of time. *In contrast to classical scrapie is Nor98/atypical scrapie diagnosed in sheep in Norway. Between 5 and 13 cases have been identified each year the past 10 years, and they are found over the whole country, including where the CWD reindeer was discovered. Whether Nor98/atypical scrapie could be the source of CWD in Norway cannot be excluded, despite the fact that, as it could be expected in case of direct transmission, the distinctive molecular signature of Nor98/atypical scrapie, a multiband WB pattern [18] was not observed in the present reindeer. *A plausible alternative to the occurrence of CWD in Europe could be that a cervid developed a genetic or spontaneous transmissible spongiform encephalopathy which subsequently spread horizontally to other cervids. As cervids may eat or gnaw on remnants of carcasses, we may speculate that there could have been an incident more or less analogous to the Kuru epidemic on Papua New Guinea, which is suggested to have started with ritual cannibalism of an individual with sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease [19]. Currently we have no information about the distribution and prevalence of CWD in the Norwegian cervid population. Whether CWD is contagious among reindeer is also an open question, but should be expected. The social behavior of reindeer living close together in herds and grazing on the ground may increase the likelihood for CWD transmission. As opposed to most of the prion diseases, infectivity in cervids is demonstrated in many peripheral tissues, such as muscles [20], elk antler velvet [21], endocrine glands [22] and in excreta like urine, saliva, blood and feces [23, 24, 25, 26]. In the present reindeer, PrPCWD was detected by IHC in the tracheobronchial lymph node. This vast distribution of infectivity in the host, together with a high stability of prions in the environment [27, 28, 29] can explain why CWD is known as the most contagious prion disease, with a prevalence of up to 30 per cent in free-ranging herds or 90 per cent in captive herds [6, 30] and we should be prepared for detecting additional CWD cases in the Norwegian cervid population. Norway has a particular responsibility to manage and protect the last remnant of the wild tundra reindeer in Europe, and the detection of CWD in one of these sub-populations is of great concern. Efforts are being made to reduce the migration of reindeer from Nordfjella to neighboring sub-populations and known migration paths are being monitored. Measures such as intensified nationwide CWD surveillance are being planned by the Norwegian Food Safety Authority and the Norwegian Environment Agency. *Surveillance for CWD in Europe has been limited. In Norway, approximately 2200 cervids have been tested from 2004 to 2015, of which only 10 were free-ranging reindeer, but none were from the Nordfjella area. The small number of wild reindeer tested reflects that the chances of a sick animal in such remote areas being observed, reported and submitted for testing are small. The European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) stated that the occurrence of CWD could not be excluded in cervids in Europe, "especially in remote and presently unsampled areas" (EFSA journal 2010). Because of the limitation of the surveillance program in cervids, it is not possible to exclude that CWD has been present in Norway or Europe for decades without being detected until now. This assumption is strengthened by the discovery, at the time of writing of this paper, of 2 additional CWD cases in moose in Norway, originating from a region situated about 300 km [186 miles] from the Nordfjella area where the CWD infected reindeer was found. *The prevalence, epidemiology and implications of CWN in Norwegian and European cervids remain to be determined.* CWD is enzootic in multiple regions in North America and unfortunately the disease is spreading. To our knowledge, this is the 1st case report of CWD in Europe and the 1st case of the disease naturally occurring in reindeer worldwide. The origin, prevalence, and incidence of CWD in Norway are currently not known, but being investigated. [end of clipped discussion from article.) However, It does not look like an investigation, so much as it looks like a slaughter or perhaps a rush to judgment. Appreciation to my ProMED-mail colleague AS for the article. - Mod.TG A HealthMap/ProMED-mail map can be accessed at: <>.] [See Also: 2016 --- Chronic wasting disease, cervid - Europe (02): (Norway) moose Chronic wasting disease, cervid - Europe: (Norway)]
  12. Pretty sure even if you are drawn for a season you can just buy the over the counter tags instead for later seasons. Or even if you already bought the B tag for shotgun you can still hunt the end of the season.
  13. Good deal!
  14. DrJ Ryan - Y Cheetah Sutty Sabastian Thunderbucket We better all shoot birds so we can compete with the 6-person teams!